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I will always root against Sale because I am a White Sox fan living in Boston. I enjoy watching him pitch but I will be rooting against him. I can see some White Sox fans thinking the same about Q since they resent Cub success.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 10, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) Boston won the AL east last year. They got swept by the Indians. You are right. Farrell has finished 1-5-5-1 and now 1. But the media today is calling for him to go.

QUOTE (JPR @ Oct 10, 2017 -> 02:36 AM) Sale left a lot to be desired. I've never seen a guy get a standing ovation with such an uninspiring performance. We won that trade. If Sale was not on Red Sox, I doubt they win the AL East. Boston finished in last place in 2016 so Sale as their ace was a major factor. But winning a trade will take years to determine. I would say the Red Sox got their ace and the White Sox got what they wanted, top prospects.

QUOTE (zisk @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 07:39 AM) The Sox might not have to spend on a pitcher like the Cubs did. They have 2-3 guys in the system who are potentially as good or better than Lester. Kopech and Hansen could turn out to be true Aces. If that happens there won't be a need for a 155 million dollar free agent pitcher. Each rebuild is different. Agree. But most 'aces" take a few years to going from good to an "ace". So the Sox may have to trade if they want to be a viable contender in 2020. Even Sale may not be an ace yet after 6 years due to durability.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 06:14 AM) Jim Kaat was interesting l he said his performance wasn't because he is a spaz or doesn't have the balls to pitch in the postseason. He said his arm angle was down a bit due to fatigue and it flattened out his pitches. Kaat also mentioned his weight of 180 a few times. It will be interesting to see if he comes back a little heavier in ST. Also, Boston will probably cut back on his innings during the season as well. Some of those shots looking like they were served on a tee.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 10:49 PM) well regress him +3 runs defensively and he's at 2.5 fwar over a full season. I'm not s***ting on the guy, he's a fine young player if he was on the Sox I'd be thrilled to have him. That said, he's not a power hitting 2B prospect with elite speed and raw power like Moncada. There is a reason Moncada was #1 and then came up and put up .9 fWAR in 50 odd games at 22. Moncada is just as good now (positional adjustment matters) and has an upside much higher. He played CF for two weeks in August and the times I saw him he was excellent in CF. In LF, the Fenway wall requires an adjustment. I saw an interview w Jim Rice who said it took him 2 years to figure it out. As I posted, Moncada has a higher ceiling for power but he also strikes out a ton. , but early signs are this kid is a 25HR/100 RBI guy who will also steal 25+ bases. He also strikes out at a % about 1/2 of Moncada. I think Benetendi is a perfect #3 hitter. hopefully we say the same thing about Moncada next October.

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 06:46 PM) With all the hype Benintendi gets on this board and elsewhere. It's pretty interesting how Benintendi had almost 3x the plate appearances as Moncada this year but his bWAR and fWAR are only about 1 number higher. Seeing a lot of Benintendi in New England, I would not trade him straight up for Moncada. I still think Moncada has the higher ceiling with power but Benintendi can do it all right now. He can hit, can play LF or CF, he can run( still erratic) and has a solid arm. He carried Boston until Devers and Nunez arrived in August. I love Moncada's potential, but Benintendi already shows production. Kid has a sweet swing.

Sale and Q will be under the spotlight this week. Both had an impact on their teams winning their division. But now they have to produce in October when the pressure intensifies. We will see how they hold up. It will be really interesting if they meet a few weeks down the road.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 08:41 PM) It seemed like he had a hard time handling the clubhouse. You had a spoiled petulant ace throwing temper tantrums, cussing out front office personnel and cutting uniforms, you had a struggling DH's kid being treated like he was actually on the team, and you had a right fielder creating cliques in the clubhouse. That seems like a clubhouse out of control. The good thing is I don't see that happening in Rick Renteria's clubhouse. He doesn't seem like the type to take that kind of s***. I think losing "control of the clubhouse' is a very subjective term. That was the primary reason given for Francona being let go in Boston. Since they are winning, he must have some control over the clubhouse in Cleveland. When teams are winning, control over the clubhouse becomes a moot point. Last year we saw and even heard about how disruptive Chris Sale was. Now living in New England, all I hear is what a great teammate he is. Winning cures a lot of evils. I still go back to the point Robin had zero experience managing a team and it did show at times. But some managers crap in their first job and then seem to find their wayn their next job.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 07:45 AM) They said it's whoever is worse in 2016 gets better pick So Reds own tiebreaker. Looks like 5th pick

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 26, 2017 -> 06:42 PM) Good news about Giolito. Really impressed with his 7 starts for the Sox. I think Lopez is sitting around 163IP so is it safe to say he's probably done after his next start? Yes since there are only 5 games left. Today is his last start. Now if they need him for relief over the weekend in a crucial situation ..................

QUOTE (hi8is @ Sep 25, 2017 -> 03:39 AM) I guess you don't remember Scotty Pods in the 2005 year. Or perhaps your second statement kinda alludes to your stance... if you've got speed which equates to a high success rate ( low risk ) then a burner can ignite an offense and put pressure on the opposing team in a couple of ways. Moncada clearly has game changing speed. Dudes electric! Can be very disruptive to the opposing pitcher.

I always think of John Farrell in manager discussion threads. Red Sox fans trash him all the time. An article in local media yesterday points out that he will likely end up winning the AL East for 2nd consecutive year. If so he will be first Boston manager in 48 years to do that. The same guy who was mediocre in Toronto and has had some lousy years in Boston. I think he is a great example of teams win more titles than managers . Terry Francona is another guy who has had success and failure in various career stops.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Sep 21, 2017 -> 04:10 PM) I don't think that Hahn and co. are going to try to add pieces that will make the team more competitive, I think they'll be looking for guys that they can flip potential at the deadline. I agree that the pitching next year will be a problem next year but the offense should be more consistent next year. If he is looking for guys to flip, they are only flippable if they are productive which would most likley make the team competitive.

QUOTE (Tony @ Sep 17, 2017 -> 04:10 PM) Where did the idea of Moncada not listening to coaches enter into the conversation? That's quite a leap. From the response "Players not listening to coaching happens all of the time." to the question why didn't the coaches suggest a different bat to Moncada.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 17, 2017 -> 12:56 PM) Players not listening to coaching happens all of the time. Rookies struggling and not listening to coaches should not happen. Remember when Moncada screwed up in Boston during a pennant race last year he was benched for the last 3 weeks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 01:47 PM) Ugh. Realize that sometimes it just takes hearing something from a different person a different way can make all of the difference. Just because it happened after Abreu said it doesn't mean it hasn't been said already. Agree. But a young player who is "really struggling" and does not try switching bats on the suggestion of the coaching staff seems a little far-fetched. Now maybe the coaching staff came up w the idea and asked Abreu to be the messenger. What would you think would happen if Coop makes a suggestion to Lopez, Giolito or Fulmer and they decide to ignore it???

He has pretty good power for a SS but his K/BB rate is terrible. But the key for a SS is that he at least plays average defense. So far TA is below average statistically. Hopefully his resurgence offensively will have a positive influence on his defense if confidence is a factor. Next spring is a key time for him to show marked improvement or the Sox may need to see if maybe 3B would be a better alternative.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) The Abreu impact on the young new players like Moncada cannot be understated. He is one of the players I wouldn't trade at this point. I think his value to mentoring young players is more valuable than any possible return he could provide at this point. I absolutely agree. But I am also left w a little sour taste. Where the hell is the coaching staff that a player sees something they should be seeing as well.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 01:19 AM) So any thoughts on if this was Fulmer with his best stuff? If so then that sucks because what makes pitchers good ones is that they can still not get shelled with their mediocre or bad stuff. If this was middling stuff, then hell yea Fulmer. Chris Sale got shelled twice in August and hit hard a couple of other games.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 12:33 AM) So your arguments are: 1.) Jerry prices parking and hot dogs too high. 2.) Jerry doesn't sign non-existent free agents when the team is rebuilding Sound, sound arguments. What is the cost to park for a White Sox game???I know Boston is approx $40 for baseball and Patriots in suburbs is also $40.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 10:01 AM) Milwaukee had the lowest MLB team payroll on this past Opening Day with $63 million dollars. The 2018 White sox team payroll will be the lowest payroll in MLB.It will be much less than $63 million dollars. After the trade of Avi Garcia and probably Abreu the payroll will be less than $40 million. Always remember, low payroll=big profits=more moola for JR. Based on attached, JR and Sox are also losing money with attendance drop. So lower payroll is not pure profit for Sox. http://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/0...tm_campaign=AOL

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Sep 3, 2017 -> 09:11 AM) Two things: 1. They were talking on the broadcast about how Avi has one of the highest BABIPs in Sox history, & also, the highest in the league. Therefore, there is (at a bare minimum) a massive degree of regression ahead of him. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=12,d 2. Do you believe in this one lucky season of his, or the mediocre pieces of 3+ seasons in which he was a poor player? I maintain that Hahn should sell high on him. There is no way that he will continue this level of performance. Extending him is this FO just begging to be made into a fool once again. So Avi is due for a massive degree of regression, he had one lucky season but Hahn should sell high on him??? Please keep this quiet because we don't want any other teams finding out they are going to get fleeced.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 30, 2017 -> 01:07 AM) I believe in the sophomore slump. Many guys come up once the season started and do fine. Then when they start that full season that magic doesn't happen. It could be scouts got a better angle on them or the pressure after having success. I expected that to happen to Frank but it didn't. We see so many examples of this. I think Alexei was voted the best player in Chicago before playing a full season, then there was Avi, Beckham. Sometimes I do fear that organization may be bringing guys up too soon. Remember Tim Anderson was not going to be brought up last season. There's always this debate of when to bring someone up. I do wonder if Renteria's strength is getting more out of younger players. Some of them probably listen to the hitting coach too. I think every player is different. Some young players arrive from AAA ready to play and some jump right from AA( mostly positional) and produce. Others take 2-3 years in ML before they find their niche.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 12:51 AM) I know what you mean. Take Engel for example. He plays a very good and fundamentally sound CF . Leury Garcia probably should be getting most of the starts there because he he also a good fielder out there but nowhere near as fundamentally sound as Engel. While many here think there's very few on the roster now who can contribute to a winning team, the Sox are trying to learn as much as they can about them all and ,as you say , it's an interesting group of kids. It'll be fun seeing Delmonico and Davidson in the same lineup. We haven't seen much if any of that yet. Moncada , Delmonico would be a great 2 and 3 in the lineup since they both draw walks with a 4 -5-6 of Abreu, Davidson, Avi or Abreu , Avi, Davidson . Usually, you want a #2 batter to be able to handle the bat well and not SO a lot. Moncada so far does not fit the bill. Hopefully in a couple of years he is the #3 hitter which I think will be perfect when his power numbers start showing.