TheFutureIsNear

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) If Robertson is involved also, then we will. That's the trick here. I would also not be surprised if the White Sox were sending some cash along with those 2 somehow. Yeah obviously Robertson adds a ton of value to the deal compared to Frazier. If Robertson is involved we should be getting 2 top 10 guys back +.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:48 PM) hahn >>>>> avila Martinez >>>> Frazier

Don't get me wrong, he should be traded no matter what, but after looking at the JD Martinez trade I'm not all that optimistic what the package will be. I'll be surprised if we get any of their top 15 prospects

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 09:09 PM) Yeah Solak fits this organization's recent strategy like a glove and I like what he brings to the table. I find myself preferring Andujar or Mateo over Florial because they're closer to the show and don't have the pronounced strike out problem. Sheffield to me is a interesting arm and fits the sweet spot of another very interesting lefty that is close as well. I like Mateo because if he needs to be moved off SS he still profiles so well at 2B/CF and maybe the yankee brass doesn't appreciate his attitude and wants to "sell high" on his recent promotion. It would be another opportunity to just reaffirm that development isn't linear and doesn't always make sense, well below average at A+ goes to AA lights the world on fire etc. I too would be extremely interested in acquiring Mateo to transition him into CF. Billy Hamilton with 15 HR potential? Yeah sign me up. Assuming Mateo could use his speed and transfer well to CF of course.

Yankees with interest in bringing D Rob back...Wonder what kind of return we'd be looking at? Something like Mateo or Andujuar + a pitching prospect like Abreu or Tate. Or is that not enough? I just can't see us getting Torres/Frazier/Rutherford for Robinson. But maybe an outside shot at Rutherford. Something like Mateo, Abreu, + another prospect in their 20-30 range would be more than enough for me.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 07:06 PM) I was big on drafting Dalbeck...but he seems overkill right now IMO. Overkill? How? To what? Do we have an abundance of 3B prospects in not aware of? Or just hitting prospects in general?

I'd call Groome for Frazier a pipe dream at best. As for Travis? Ehh doesn't seem far fetched, but is he really much of a prize? Doesn't seem to offer big power for a guy that is limited to 1st base only. The problem is the Red Sox seem pretty limited as far as position player prospects. The 2 most interesting guys are Michael Chavis (3B) and Josh Ockimey (1B). If we could get 1 of them + a low level reliever with a big arm (preferably LH) I'd be pretty happy. I just think it's pretty important to get rid of Frazier ASAP before he inevitably gets into another slump.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) Heh, I do appreciate a 295 million dollar guaranteed commitment being described as "controllable". Any player is controllable if you're willing to guarantee enough money. That's why I specifically summed it up by mentioning Yelich and not Stanton. Yelich is something like 5/55M after this season.

Rumors are swirling of the Marlins ownership selling off the likes of Stanton and Yelich, 2 controllable young OF's with a proven track record. If we could put together a package without including any of Moncada, Robert, Eloy, Cease, Kopesch, or Hansen would you? The Phillies are rumored to be suitors and their farm system is nothing impressive in my opinion. I've been 100% on board with a full rebuild for years, but if we can get a long term bat like Yelich to speed the process up I'd be all for it.

Aside from it being obviously dumb...Burger was an underslot sign. This rumor would suggest that the Sox ownership doesn't have the capital to maintain basic business functions like signing draft picks. That isn't even remotely true. That's a terrible rumor even on the worst of sports radio talk stations.

QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 10:07 PM) I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the deadline...well, unless you are also one of the Sale trade was "one player short" or "bad because it didn't include Devers instead of Diaz" Nope, was very pleased with pretty much all of the off season moves except the handling of the Q situation. And for the record I'm not even upset that he wasn't traded. It has a lot more to do with the fact that they said they were trying to move him and didn't. The talk to the media the entire time should have been "Q is a great young talent under control that we will continue to build around." If a deal came a long great, if not oh well. I've said it before and people here have disagreed, but I believe 100% that there's a correlation to the trade talk and Q's performance so far this season.

I'll say it again, and don't care what anybody says, not trading Q in the offseason was a monumental mistake. The entire publicized trade efforts without actually getting a deal done was horribly managed by the FO and now the team and Q are in a tough situation. Yes, I know Q still has plenty of time on his deal, and yes, I know he is still a very talented pitcher, but anybody who thinks we can still get a full value deal on him is naive. The time to trade him was in the offseason and the opportunity was completely blown. Ok rank over...

Church didn't have much speed tho did he?...my comp is Drew Stubbs. A guy with pop and speed, but lacks a consistent hit tool to sustain any kind of real long term success as a starter. If we're lucky Engel can capture lightning in a bottle and put together a few good seasons like Stubbs did.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 09:01 PM) Leury was a top 40 guy in all of MLB fWAR when he got hurt... Small sample size...like I said, he can still have pretty good value as a super utility guy that can play multiple positions, but I just don't see him being a regular long term. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't see the slug% he had as something he can keep up. Seemed a little flukish to me, but I would have no problem eating crow on this 1 if he is able to keep it up.

Send Hanson down. Doubt someone claims him, but if it happens oh well. And Willy Garcia still has options left no? Send him down again, don't see a particularly bright future for him anyway. Hate to be That Guy, but really all of these guys are nothing but bench pieces. Not that a bench player capable of backing up multiple positions doesn't have some value, but if we are serious about being WS contenders in 3-4 years I don't think any of these guys mentioned in the OP will be starting players.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) Shame last nights Charlotte game ended up delayed. According to the box score Fulmer was looking pretty good. Man, watching this season for Giolito, Fulmer and Lopez has been a roller coaster ride. Not worried about Fulmer or Lopez since I think both have the potential to become high energy closers if things don't work out for them as starters. Giolito is the one that concerns me a little but he's just 23 so he has time to come around. Prefacing this by saying he's not a lost cause and things still can improve for a young pitcher not far removed from the draft, BUT...there's nothing about Fulmer right now that says he is closer material, or late inning reliever at all. 6.19 K per 9 and I think the opposite of closer material to be perfectly honest.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) Has he earned a call up? He has nothing but solid numbers since he went down to Charlotte. AAAA player...he's had more than enough ab's to prove he's not a good major league player. Maybe if someone gets traded and we need a depth bench bat again, but other than that he's really not worth talking about.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 06:12 PM) I think any scout at the game today would have written a positive report His command wasn't there. Can't throw that many balls and expect to go deep into a game regardless of what your guys are doing behind you. Jose doesn't have the stuff to have an exact 2:1 s/b ratio. He needs to be more in the 65% strike ratio. Would I classify it as not bad? Sure, but I wouldn't call anything besides the 1st 2 innings as positive. Not that it's a big deal or anything...obviously that start was far from horrible and sure isnt going to deter teams or anything. Just saying that it would have been nice to see Q keep the moment going and he just didn't have his usual great location today.

Defense has let him down, but Q struggling a little this game isn't helping things. He needed to keep his good start streak going, but at this rate he's going to struggle to get out of the 6th.

I think people are discounting how hard it is for a young catcher to improve defensively and offensively. A lot of his time and energy has probably gone into his defense. I would look at recent A's call up Bruce Maxwell as a comp. He was a high 2nd round pick that was questionable to stick at catcher but had a good bat. He Struggled and didn't put up an OPS over .750 in his 1st 3 pro years in the minors, but his D supposedly improved drastically. Suddenly in 2016 he started raking and hasn't stopped so far in the majors (albeit small sample size). So yeah, it would be naive to not be at least a little worried, but all hope certainly isn't lost.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Jun 26, 2017 -> 08:26 PM) At this rate he's going to be the second best pitching prospect in the system after Kopech by season's end. He's already there in my book

In the meantime...just be patient and wait it out. Don't rush it with forced signings to try and compete early, especially when the team clearly still won't be good enough imo.

I can't see Q going to anybody but the Yankees or Astros at this point. From Yankees- Has to start with Frazier pretty much no matter what at this point I would think...Frazier, Andjuar, and Sheffield would be really nice. If not some combo of Adams, Fowler, Abreu, and Clarksin and I wouldn't complain. Wouldn't hate getting Tyler Austin from them either if they aren't going to call him up. So Frazier, Andjuar, and Sheffield or Frazier, Fowler, Clarksin, and Austin Astros- Again, more or less has to start with Tucker. Either Whitley or Perez as the 2nd piece and the either JD Davis or Yordam Alvarez as the 3rd...maybe a lotto pick 19 year as well. Tucker, Perez, Davis, and Jonathan Arauz

Never been a fan and don't have a ton of hope for him honestly. Yeah I know he's still young and raw or whatever, but we should be seeing at least some improvment to his plate approach and there just isn't. 5 years into a career and not being able to walk at a 4% clip just isn't a good sign to me. Hopefully the D can level out and he can at least be league average though.

And with Fulmer's inability to strike anyone out right now I'm not sure how much better he would fare in the pen. Future isn't looking bright for him.