TheFutureIsNear

Is Collins officially a lost cause at C that I’m not aware of? I thought most reports were saying he’s been at least adequate and improving this year?

Really don’t think Covey has a chance in hell to be a big league starter to be frank. Between command and secondary pitches he has too far to go imo. Put him in the pen and let him throw that 2 seamer as hard as he can and see if he has any success. If not oh well, most rule 5 picks don’t work out.

Another guy I’m just not going to get my hopes up on...if he can become a regular great, but I’m not expecting much more than pinch hitter/AAAA player

The issue with giving Fulmer more time is that he hasn't had any kind of prolonged success at any point in his career so far. We're talking about 370 innings across pretty much every level without being able to consistently get batters out. That's kind of a problem. Moving him into the bullpen is a necessary panic move to jump start his career.

Wasn't he pretty good prospect for the Rangers at 1 point? Figured he'd be a decent Coop'll fix em candidate. But if you've seen him and the stuff isn't there I'll take your word for it. How about Ben Lively? Potential for a back end of the rotation arm next year?

Phillies could be a decent trade partner. They could use a vet starter and a bullpen piece. Shields and Soria for Jake Thompson and Roman Quinn We'd probably have to throw in some offsetting $ as well...and even then its still questionable what we'd get in return for what we have to trade. I think Jose was our only chance to get a legit prospect back and his slump probably killed that. We all have to cross our fingers Jose goes on a ridiculous tear the next 3 weeks.

Wouldn’t hate a fulmer for a failed hitting prospect deal at this deadline. Pretty sure it won’t happen, but it’s something I’d certainly consider.

Fulmer's issue isn't getting through the lineup the 3rd time...his issue is getting hitters out in general. Moving him to the pen isn't going to solve that issue. The biggest problem is that he has a pretty mediocre 93/94 mph fastball and he has no idea where it's going. He's 24 and needs to learn how to pitch basically. He overpowered college hitters and he's unable to do that to the highest level hitters and needs to go back to the drawing board.

Madrigal with huge error on a bases loaded play....cut him now

Uh oh...hopefully that’s not his arm?

No reason for Tilson not to be bunting there. Strikeout there was worst case scenario

Covey is frustrating. If he learned to push off and really drive through his pitches he’d be so much more effective. He stays too tall and leaves almost everything belt high. If he worked his fastball knee high consistently he’d be incredibly hard to hit

I still think Jose's value could be underrated around here. He unfairly gets lumped into the "1b slugger" category that definitely doesn't have a great market. Jose is flat out a better hitter than the 1B that struggled to get contracts though. Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I'd hold out for a top 50(ish) prospect + another top 10 prospect from the team.

Jose showing his worth...what team wants to give up a top 50 prospect for him?

Jose with the wheels

Let him go back out? I know the pitch count isnt high but think I’d be content with 6 scoreless and leave it up to the pen

I like it

This is the 1st time I’m watching a full Covey start...has he worked this up the zone the whole time or struggling with location tonight. Shows how good his fastball is though with the 0 still on the board

Yeah I agree. Even worst case scenario you have to stick Yoan in LF, his bat SHOULD still play plenty there.

If Covey was locating his fastball 6-8 inches lower he’d probably be perfect right now

I’ve been very anti moving Moncada from 2B...starting to look like it might not be such a bad idea.

Don't get me wrong, you don't change anything with the way he's going now...but am I the only that sees closer in Covey? That fastball is just filthy, would love to see him throw it as hard as he can for only 1 inning. Only if the starter thing doesn't work of course

Ok got ya. I understand your point, but I think/hope the mindset of the team has to change. I can understand not getting into bidding wars with high price free agents, but I think it’s going to be hard to establish a long term winning franchise without retaining our own players. To me it just seems unrealistic to expect to continuously develop and replace high level players. Obviously Rondon hasn’t established himself on a consistent high level yet, but in this hypothetical situation of him getting a huge contract he would be and trying to replace him with a young/unproven arm to save $ would be frustrating to me as a fan.

1. Nobody owes anybody a “discount”. Don’t understand why you’d be critical of any person trying to maximize their value. There isn’t even a “for the good of the team salary cap” excuse in baseball. 2. That’s called counting your chickens before they hatch.

Damn that hurts Yoan. Almost like this team enjoys shooting themselves in the foot