TheFutureIsNear

2005 was an anomaly season, if not flat out lucky. Don’t get me wrong, I loved every second of it and not trying to devalue that WS, but that roster has nothing to do with how to build a team that can succeed long term. Not the model for what the present Sox should be doing at all.

Jose Abreu for Ian Desmond, Riley Pint and $14M Jose and Desmond’s $ about equals out in 2019, we get Riley Pint for paying $11M to Desmond in 2020 while the Rockies pay only $4M, and then the Rockies chip in $10M for Desmond’s entire 2021 salary + $2M buyout. Probably doesn’t quite equal out to the formula because clearly OP is way smarter than me lol...I feel like we would probably get another prospect as well as Pint because Desmond for Jose at similar prices isn’t fair on our end. At least a Yonathan Daza or Josh Fuentes type of older prospect we could give some major league AB’s to next year.

Toles...or even Edwin Rios and Matt Beaty are both interesting and ready for a run in the majors if they need to free up a 40 man roster spot

1B- Bellinger 2B- Muncy SS- Seager 3B- Turner LF- Joc CF- Pollock RF- Harper Taylor and Keke as super subs. Don’t know about the financial aspect but they can def fit both guys into their lineup

I’d put it at .001 % chance

True, wasn’t thinking about the possibility of multiple opt out clauses...probably because it seems like a crazy thing to do for the team. But Manny and Boras have all the leverage with multiple teams interested so they will likely get someone to give in to what they want

I wonder if 10 years is even what Boras/Machado wants? I know he/they want opt out clauses, but at age 26 it doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. I’d want more like 6/7 years to hit FA again when contracts will likely be even crazier. I’d offer him something like 6 years $190M with an opt out after 3 to see if it entices him.

White Sox not willing to sign Harper or Manny to a record setting contract....I take it that it means we aren't signing them then http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/25539918

I know there's been plenty of discussion on him but like 7.5 Harper mega threads and 0 for Manny? Is that an indication that Harper is the clear cut preference of the board? And what's the max years/dollars you would offer him? And 1 more hypothetical question... -If it was the difference in him signing with the Sox or not, would you move TA (CF?) and let Manny play SS?

Crap just realized his option is vesting. Only needs 526 PA’s to guarantee his 2020 $

This is either going to end up a genius trade or terrible...either Machado or the front office is collecting middling talent as a crappy way to “compete”

I don’t put a whole lot of stock into the stats that measure framing...but if true that he’s bad at it it would be a pretty headscratching signing. But also nothing to be upset about because it’s a backup C making relative peanuts

https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/yankees-gm-brian-cashman-has-spoken-with-free-agent-manny-machados-agent-multiple-times/301667776 Cashman publicly stated he’s spoken to Machado’s agent multiple times. And the Nats publicly made a very large offer to Harper trying to retain his services.

Don’t get me wrong, I think there is at least some effort to land Harper, but It would be a pretty horrific marketing for a team to go “Nope, not interested in the best players.” I wouldn’t take anything any gm says to the media very seriously

I was big on taking a gamble on him until I saw he’s had arm issues already. I assume teams get to do their own medicals before signing? Or would we have to go by medicals we are given?

Don’t waste long term $ trying to piece together a mediocre team...but I would like to see a few players signed on 1 year deals (maybe 2 for the right guy). Bridge the gap and help the young players with vet leadership and get a little protection in the lineup. I don’t expect to compete next year but i think it’s time to take a step a forward from 100 losses and get some confidence in these young kids going into 2020. I don’t think tanking for another high draft pick is going to make a difference at this point. A smart trade or 2 for young position players would also be smart. Never hurts to look at reclinimation projects

I’d rather see Jones playing a corner OF spot on a cheap 1 year deal then see more Delmonico/Luery/Cordell/whatever we currently have on the roster. Jones would probably be good for the young players too. But if we are “going for it”, Jones shouldn’t be signed as a starting OF’er.

I wanted a new front office years ago. It’s not about making excuses for anyone. It’s beeing realistic about the situation. There are other teams vying for their services that are more attractive destinations, it’s an undeniable fact.

My point was more that you're making it seem like signing 1 of these super stars is like picking up something up at the grocery store. It's a 2 way street. If the front office throws a bunch of $ at them and they choose to sign elsewhere what can you do? Excitement for the possibility is 1 thing, but disappointment if the sox don't sign Harper/Machado doesn't make sense to me. Not to mention that a move like Grandal and others 1st makes a ton of sense. Why would Harper come to the Sox with their current roster? Making the team better can only help

This is the mentality I don’t understand from this board....if a bottom 5 team that is still smack dab in the middle of a rebuild doesn’t sign 1 of the 2 biggest free agent super stars it’s a disappointment? In what world? It’s a novel idea and I’m sure the front office is giving it the old college try, but to think that either are signing here is more than a hope and prayer is naive in my opinion.

Idk I think the Phillies will end up regretting the 3rd year...but they have stupid $ to throw around so they probably don’t even care about that

I'll try 1 of these crazy off seasons... Sign Bryce Harper- 12 years $408M...Give him an opt out clause after 3 years. Sign Adam Jones- 2 years $18M Sign Charlie Morton- 2 years $30M Sign Clay Bucholz- 1 year $5M (or someone like him...Miley, Ross, Cahill- take your pick) Sign Adam Warren- 2 years $8M Sign Martin Maldanado- 1 year $4M Trade Nate Jones and Carson Fulmer to the Phillies for Maikel Franco Trade Yolmer Sanchez, AJ Puckett, and Ian Clarkin for Domingo Santana I figure that to add about 70-75ish million to the payroll C- Castillo/Maldanado 1B- Jose 2B- Moncada SS- Anderson 3B- Franco LF- Santana/Eloy CF- Harper/Jones RF- Harper/Jones DH- Santana/Eloy Bench - Palka, Rondon, Leury SP- Rodon SP- Morton SP- Lopez SP- Giolito SP- Bucholz Long Relief- Dylan Covey LH Middle Relief- Adam Bummer or Manny Banuelos RH Middle Relief- Ian Hamilton RH Middle Relief- Juan Minaya LH Setup- Jace Fry RH Setup- Adam Warren Closer- Alex Colome Probably still not enough pitching but wanted to keep it somewhat realistic. We would still have pretty much all of our prospects to get pitching help as the season went on though. I'd rather overpay in prospects given what we have than give someone like Keuchle a huge deal is what it comes down to really.

Isn’t his preference to play SS? Feel like asking him to come to the White Sox to play 3B is a lot to ask for

Really curious to see what the price for Relamuto will be. The Marlins have made some weird trades so who knows. I’d throw them an offer of something like Collins and Hansen just to have some skin in the game...I’m sure someone will offer more tho.

The versatility is great and all, but I think it’s pretty obvious that 2016 was a fluke. How much are you willing to pay a .730 OPS, 105 WRC+ hitter that can play multiple positions?