TheFutureIsNear

Can we all just agree that Jose is in obvious decline, but is still a slightly above average 1B/DH? Therefore the front office should be looking for an upgrade, but if not able to do so circling back and signing Jose to a cheap 1 year deal is perfectly fine... Reasonable middle of the road opinions are possible...

Considering the fact that I don’t think the $ will be spent well regardless, yes I’d have no problem slightly overpaying for Machado. I mean what’s the alternative? Save the $ and sign more middling vets for cheap? I’ll take Machado unless you’re telling me we are signing Cole, Rendon, or some package of players like Ozuna + a 2nd tier SP like wheeler/Odorizi. But I have about 1% hope any of the later will happen, so yeah, I wish the front office/owner had the balls to pay up for Machado instead of that bs cop out offer they made to appear like they really tried.

7 legit prospects in my opinion...ending in Collins at #7. Not saying no one else can or will hit as good players, but as far as a decent bet to help the team in a significant role in the next 2 years, that’s about it. Really not a whole lot of wiggle room when you think about our roster. And also makes it hard to make trades.

2021 we still need to add from outside of the organization: -top of the rotation stater -Well above average Starting RF -Closer/really good RH bullpen arm -Good defensive catcher to split time with McCann that isn’t a black hole in the lineup either -RH platoon to split DH with Collins And that’s not even considering how many prospects/unestabliahed players we need to count on being good players. Some are going to inevitably fail or at least take a full year in the majors to work out their flaws. 2021 roster in a perfect world C- McCann/Free agent 1B- Vaughn 2B- Madrigal SS- TA 3B- Moncada LF- Eloy CF- Robert RF- Free Agent/Trade DH- Collins/FA/Trade SP- Free agent/Trade SP- Gio SP- Kopech SP- Cease SP- Lopez/Dunning Backend of bullpen= LH- Rodon and Bummer RH- Free Agent/Trade

Harvin Mendoza Lency Delgado Benyamin Bailey Ronald Guzman Albeit very far away, but at least there’s some intriguing young talent to come after the big name prospects. I Suspect most of the 14(ish) through 30 prospects on the upcoming list I won’t think will have a shot in hell at being big league contributors. The top of the list is nice of course so I shouldn’t complain too much, but I feel like our overall depth is lacking for being multi years into a rebuild. Not much trade depth at all to be aggressive with. Good thing we didn’t have any international $ to spend or anything ?

How do we organize a bunting intervention for Ricky?

Wow...what are you doing Eloy

Madrigal should be playing all of his minor league innings at SS. See what we got there because i don’t know if Tim is the answer. Eloy, Robert, Anderson is an OF with plenty of pop and good speed plus 2B is a lot easier position to fill.

Have a feeling this will be a painful night to watch as a Sox fan. This lineup can’t touch Nola and it will be a miracle if Detwiler can get through any lineup 3 times without blowing up.

Is there any reason our OF’ers play so shallow? Luery probably wasn’t catching that anyway but still weird how out OF plays with the bases empty

Top 5 pick here we come...

Amazing that Cordero has made it this far into a pitching career without any clue how to throw an off speed pitch of any kind of course he gets a K with a change agree I post that

That was an extremely lackadaisical turn for such an important moment. Yolmer was too slow causing Tim to rush and throw it away. No excuse for either, that play has to be made

It might be difficult to find a replacement, so let’s lock ourselves into the same below average player (that is only getting worse) for safety because of a fear of the unknown. What a bizarre strategy that would be to build a winning baseball team. If Hahn is inept as I think and can’t find a replacement Jose will still be there to circle back to. Conveniently he doesn’t want to go anywhere and I highly doubt he will have much interest from other teams.

A 1004 PA slump? That’s just being delusional...

No of course Jose hasn’t sucked for 4 years. Anyone who was complaining about him before the all-star break last year was probably out of line. Jose was a very good/all-star level bat and seems like 1 hell of a nice person...but all good things must come to an end, and it seems like we are there/if not really close with Jose.

Don’t get me wrong, making several threads is overkill...but I do find it very odd that a lot of people seem to be in denial that Jose just flat out isn’t a good hitter anymore. At what point are people willing to call it what it is? We’re over 1000 straight PA’s now

I voted yes because I think he will be back. I don’t see our front office being smart enough to move on. If the question was SHOULD Jose be back I would have answered no. A DH that cant maintain an .800 OPS just isn’t useful and I won’t be shocked to see him to continue to regress. He looks/moves much older than he is. At best I’d offer Jose something like 2/$12M and tell him to find a better offer...

I get it, but could that decision not have been made after another 3-4 months of recovery? We are a big market club with a laughably low payroll, to be making moves at the deadline to save a couple $mil is just odd. I at least hope either: 1) the doctors are already pretty sure Nate will never fully recover (as horrible as that is to type) 2) someone within the org knows something about 1 of these 2 prospects that no one else does. im not saying I know the answers or that this is some horrible move...it’s really pretty insignificant. I’m just looking at big picture of what this franchises’ priorities are

For my sanity’s sake I’m going to assume that Texas approached Hahn about this trade. Because theres no way our front office is really focused on trying to save a few million bucks. Right? I mean is there 0% chance Nate can’t be a serviceable middle reliever next year? I guess the team doctors would know better than anyone, but this seems like a really odd salary dump of like $3M bucks.

Nobody should looking at WAR for any player as the end all be all for anything. WAR is definitely useful, but there is an entire collection of data that needs to be considered. Colome’s low WAR is the least of my worries...it’s the fact that damn near every other stat screams luck and or regression is coming. That’s what scares me about not trading him now, we will be left with nothing but an overpriced reliever next year...even though I still don’t think we are seriously competing next year anyway, so I would definitely be looking to trade him.

Phillies now moved Pivetta (26) and Eflin (25) to their bullpen. I wouldn’t mind trying to acquire either, both have legit stuff but haven’t been able to have consistent success. Would be slightly more interesting than Marco Gonzales imo...

I’m all for it...but who do we have to trade? Imo the following have to be untouchable: TA Yoan Gio Eloy Cease Kopech Madrigal Vaughn Robert Collins, Dunning, Rodon I’m on the fence about , would have to be a very good player in return. Whats left after those names that could acquire us anything good? Hahn should absolutely be trying, but it’s going to be tough.

He’s hasn’t been a good baseball player for 1000 AB’s. It’s not a debatable fact. All of your rah-rah homer bullshit isn’t going to change that. Sorry that I want my team to have good baseball players that will win and not more mediocre garbage just because they’ve been here a little while. I want to win...you’re just happy to watch your team not be horrible. Any real fan would be disgusted by this franchise over the past 10 years (excluding the last 2/3 years of rebuilding) and you seem to want to continue on with status quo. I mean, who needs playoff wins?

Trading for Marco to eat innings the rest of this season, letting him compete for the 5th spot next year/lefty long man out of the pen absolutely makes sense to me....just a matter what the price is obviously. Hard to predict a trade when all of our middle/late prospects are either very recent draft picks or older guys no one really wants. Does Alec Hansen’s name still hold any value? + 1 of Micker/Basabe/Walker? Too much? Not enough? Really hard to tell