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QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:38 PM) Eloy is a bad bad man. Dude is already a monster and only keeps improving. I feel confident we'll look back and think we did really well getting him for Q. In Jimenez's 20 games with the Dash: 352/418/690. 5 HRs, 1 3B, 7 2Bs, 18 RBI, 13 R, 8 BB. 10.12 BB%, 20.25 K%.
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Michael Kopech's last 4 starts including tonight: 27 IP 33 K (11.00 K/9) 15 H 4 BB (1.33 BB/9) 0.70 WHIP 1.33 ERA That'll do. He's also at 105 1/3 IP. Previous season high was 65 IP.
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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:05 PM) It's really disgusting to have a team this bad. Team has won one game since Q left. The Sox are in a full on rebuild and have sold off nearly all of their valuable MLB assets, what do you seriously expect? If you are not going to be competing for the playoffs, then it is best to be as awful as you can be to stockpile talent via the draft. Look at how the Cubs built a large chunk of their foundation. They sucked for 5 years and are reaping the benefits now. Willson Contreras International FA in 2009 as a 17 year old. Anthony Rizzo traded to Cubs for Andrew Cashner in Jan 2012 after 71-91 season in 2011. Javier Baez drafted with 9th pick in 2011 draft after Cubs went 75-87 the previous year. Addison Russell traded to Cubs for Jeff Samardzija in July 2014. Cubs went 73-89 in 2014. Kris Bryant drafted with 2nd pick in 2013 draft after Cubs went 61-101 the previous year. Kyle Schwarber drafted with 4th pick in 2014 draft after Cubs went 66-96 the previous year. Albert Almora drafted with 6th pick in 2012 draft after Cubs went 71-91 the previous year. Ian Happ drafted with the 9th pick in 2015 draft after Cubs went 73-89 the previous year. From 2010 until 2014 the Cubs went: 2010 - 75-87 2011 - 71-91 2012 - 61-101 Epstein's 1st season as GM. 2013 - 66-96 2014 - 73-89 The Cubs had 5 Top 9 picks, and 2 in the Top 4. Do you think Cubs fans cared about going 61-101 in 2012, after these last 3 seasons? They think Theo Epstein is a genius. The Cubs weren't the only team to completely suck for a bunch of years, stock pile young talent and win a World Series. Look at the Royals. They were built on 3 top 3 picks who turned out to be All Stars (Gordon, Moustakas, & Hosmer), a couple of international signings that turned out great for them (Perez, Ventura, & Herrera), and 2 key pieces from trading off a Cy Young winner in Zack Greinke (Cain & Escobar). C - Perez International FA in 2006 as a 16 year old. 1B - Hosmer 3rd pick in 2008 draft. SS - Escobar traded to Royals for Zack Greinke in Dec. 2010. 3B - Moustakas 2nd pick in 2007 draft. LF - Alex Gordon 2nd pick in 2005 draft. CF - Lorenzo Cain traded to Royals for Zack Greinke in Dec. 2010. P - Ventura International FA in 2008 as a 17 year old. P - Wade Davis traded to Royals in Dec 2012 after going 72-90. P - Herrera International FA in 2006 as a 16 year old. Look at the Astros currently, they have the best record in the AL by 11.5 games. They went 74-88, 76-86, 56-106, 55-107, 51-111, 70-92 from 2009-2014. 1B - Gurriel International FA in 2016 as a 32 year old. 2B - Altuve International FA in 2007 as a 16 year old. SS - Correa 1st pick in 2012 draft after the Astros went 56-106 the previous year. 3B - Bregman 2nd pick in 2015 draft after the Astros failed to sign Brady Aiken in 2014. UT - Marwin Gonzalez traded to Astros in 2011 for Marco Duarte. CF - Springer 11th pick in 2011 draft after the Astros went 76-86 the previous year. P - Marisnick traded to Astros in 2014 for Jarred Cosart P - McCullers 41st pick in 2012 draft. P - Musgrove traded to Astros in 2012 for JA Happ. P - Brad Peacock traded to Astros in 2013 for Jed Lowrie. They also have OF Kyle Tucker in AA tearing it up as a result of the 5th pick in the 2015 draft. The Sox meanwhile have a loaded farm right now. C - Collins, Zavala, Skoug 1B - Gillaspie, Sheets 2B - Moncada SS - ? 3B - Burger OF - Jimenez, Adolfo OF - Robert, Tilson, Basabe OF - Rutherford, Cordell RHP - Kopech, Lopez, Giolito, Cease, Hansen, Adams, Dunning, Burdi, Fulmer, Stephens LHP - Stephens, Clarkin We should get a Top 3 pick in the 2018 draft, and hopefully we get another Top 3 pick in the 2019 draft. I really hope they are elite position players that we get as well(Turang & Witt Jr.). In 2019 we should be ready to start to be competitive again, and should be set for a long time. Look at some of the top picks dating back to 2004: 2004 - Verlander 2nd pick 2005 - Justin Upton 1st pick, Alex Gordon 2nd pick, Ryan Zimmerman 4th pick, Ryan Braun 5th pick, Tulo 7th pick 2006 - Longoria 3rd pick, Kershaw 7th pick 2007 - Price 1st pick, Moustakas 2nd pick, Wieters 5th pick 2008 - Hosmer 3rd pick, Posey 5th pick 2009 - Strasburg 1st pick 2010 - Harper 1st pick, Machado 3rd 2011 - Cole 1st pick, Rendon 6th pick, Lindor 8th pick 2012 - Correa 1st pick 2013 - Bryant 2nd pick 2014 - Rodon 3rd pick 2015 - Bregman 2nd pick, Rogers 3rd pick, Tucker 5th pick, Benintendi 7th pick. The Sox had the 8th pick (Fulmer), and 2 more wins than Boston. If the Sox can hit on a superstar type of player with their upcoming high draft picks, coupled with the talent we have in the minors, and payroll flexibility we should be loaded for a very long, long time. If that means we have to play awful baseball now for 2 years, so be it. We haven't been to the playoffs in 9 seasons.
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Does anyone know anything about Anthony Coronado? He's 17 in the DSL with a line of 293/410/500 after today. .207 ISO for a 17 year old LF. 21.4% K rate, 9.29% BB rate. 3 HRs and 15 2Bs in 140 PA, 116 ABs.
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7/27 Sox Affiliates Jimenez 1-3, HR 2 RBI Collins 1-2 BB, no K Burger 1-2 Adolfo 1-2 Sheets 1-2, HR
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White Sox recall Aaron Bummer and Willy Garcia
Sox Fan In Husker Land replied to KnightsOnMintSt's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Trade one ex-Nebraska lefty reliever and call up another. Hopefully Bummer can be a solid bullpen piece for the rebuild. -
So Reynaldo Lopez's last 6 starts: 36 2/3 IP 49 K (12.02 K/9) 26 H 8 BB (1.96 BB/9) 0.93 WHIP 1.96 ERA Michael Kopech's last 3 starts: 20 IP 25 K (11.25 K/9) 10 H 4 BB (1.8 BB/9) 0.70 WHIP 0.90 ERA Man that's exciting to see.
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Luis Robert after 58 PA 293/500/463 .963 OPS 17.2% K rate 24.1% BB rate
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QUOTE (bmags @ May 20, 2017 -> 06:14 AM) If you guys want to get angry read this http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-s...-jose-quintana/ I'm triggered. Since 2012 he's 11th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2013 he's 7th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2014 he's 8th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2015 he's 9th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2016 he's 9th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. In 2017 he's tied for 20th in fWAR among qualified pitchers. That's pretty damn good for a "#3" In his last 6 starts he's put together this line: 40 IP, 39 K, 8.78 K/9, 29 H, 15 BB, 3.38 BB/9, 2.70 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 2-2 record.
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QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ May 14, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) Very good day for Zack Collins. HR and 2 walks so far today. QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ May 14, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) Make that 3BB. Good grief, if Collins can get his swing to be as good as his batting eye he will be some kind of monster in the middle of the order. Going into the 9th, he also threw out 2 of 3 people attempting to steal, and had a passed ball. On the season he's thrown out 18 of 38, 47.3%. Last season he was 3 out of 21, 14%. Massive improvement is an understatement. .224/.396/.402 20.86 BB% 23.7 K%.
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Tim Anderson signs 6 year extension
Sox Fan In Husker Land replied to Tony's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 06:50 AM) 6 years plus options, it's official Awesome. Sale signed his extension in March of 2013. It guaranteed him 5 years and $32.5 million, buying out one year of free agency for $12 million. And the team holding options on 2 more years of what would have been free agency for $26 million total. Quintana signed his extension in March of 2014. It guaranteed him 5 years $26.5 million (due to being arbitration eligible following 2014). The team then holds options for his 1st 2 years of what would have been free agency for $22 million. Eaton signed his extension in March of 2015. It guaranteed him 5 years and $23.5 million. The deal bought out what would have been his 1st year of free agency for $8.4 million and then gave the team 2 options for $20 million. I assume Anderson's 6 year deal will have 2 club options attached to it. -
Sox taking it slow with Rodon during ST
Sox Fan In Husker Land replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 08:39 PM) Help me understand something: Rodon's been pretty mediocre so far in his career; where some see promise in his Sept/Oct results last year, I see a "garbage time hero." He's been a bit of a China Doll so far in his career, with injuries in every season sidelining him, and now whatever this latest issue may be... He's represented by Greed Incarnate, who will never ever agree to a contract extension here. Why is Rodon considered to be a part of this team's core again? Thanks in advance. Is Carlos Rodon an ace currently, no? Does he have the potential to be one, you bet. He just turned 24. Player A Age 21 Pitched in College Age 22 109 2/3 IP between A+/AA/AAA, 14 IP in MLB as a reliever. Age 23 34 1/3 IP in AAA, 128 1/3 IP in MLB as a starter. 4.42 ERA, 4.59 FIP, 1.3 fWAR, 7.15 K/9, 3.79 BB/9, 1.19 HR/9. 1.35 WHIP. Age 24 208 2/3 IP in MLB as a starter. 2.72 ERA, 3.42 FIP, 4.2 fWAR, 8.11 K/9, 3.41 BB/9, 0.65 HR/9. 1.19 WHIP. Player B Age 21 Pitched in College, then 24 2/3 IP between R/A+/AAA. Age 22 10 IP in AAA. 139 1/3 IP in MLB as a starter. 3.75 ERA, 3.87 FIP, 2.0 fWAR, 8.98 K/9, 4.59 BB/9, 0.71 HR/9. 1.44 WHIP. Age 23 165 IP in MLB as a starter. 4.04 ERA, 4.01 FIP, 2.7 fWAR, 9.16 K/9, 2.95 BB/9, 1.25 HR/9. 1.39 WHIP. Age 24 will start this season Both of these pitchers were highly drafted LHP out of college with great sliders. One of them got a total of 144 IP in the minors before he was up for good, with 109 1/3 of those above A+. The other got 34 2/3 IP with 22 of those above A+. Yet the one who was rushed to the Majors quicker had as good, if not better MLB stats before they hit their age 24 season. Player A is David Price. Player B is Carlos Rodon. Will we see Rodon make a huge jump this year? Not sure. If he keeps improving, he will be a solid 2 at worst with the potential to be an ace. As noted by others in the 2nd half in 2016, Rodon went 73 IP, 3.45 ERA, 3.49 FIP, 1.22 WHIP, 9.49 K/9, 2.71 BB/9, 0.99 HR/9. If he can pitch near 200 innings, and maintain what he did in the 2nd half last year he will be around a 4+ fWAR pitcher at age 24, with 4 years of team control remaining. He would be insanely valuable. If he has an awesome season this or next, and the Sox don't see him as part of the rebuild, then he is another piece to flip for more prospects. His 1st season in the majors he was 78th among pitchers in fWAR, last year, at the age of 23, he was 56th. David Price was 132nd in fWAR among pitchers in his age 23 season, his 1st in the majors. I just don't get some of the disdain for Rodon. He was rushed to the majors very quickly, and has shown improvement along the way. -
Arizona Fall League Rosters P Brian Clark P Matt Cooper P Brad Goldberg P Connor Walsh C Zack Collins (taxi squad member, activated only on Wednesdays and Saturdays) 1B Danny Hayes 3B Trey Michalczewski OF Courtney Hawkins Manager Aaron Rowand.
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Collins at A+: 27 G 6 HR, 5 2Bs, 18 R, 17 RBI, .260/.383/.500, .883 OPS, 16.52 BB%, 26.09 K% Again if you take away his 1st 2 games back after his week off following his concussion this is his line at A+: 25 G 87 ABs 105 PAs 25 H .287 AVG .410 OB% .552 Slug % .961 OPS 6 HR 5 2B 17 RBI 16 R 48 TB 18 BB 24 K 17.14 BB% 22.86 K% Not too shabby.
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Burdi 2 IP, 1 BB, 0 H, 4 Ks
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Sox MLB Farm Collins 1/2, HR, 2 BB so far. Call 1/2 1BB, 2 SB. Fulmer 4 IP 3 H 1 ER 1 BB 4 K 1 HRA 55 pitches.
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Zack Burdi not coming to Chicago this season
Sox Fan In Husker Land replied to Baron's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Burdi tonight, 2 IP 2 H 0 BB 5 K. At AAA 7 IP 4 H 3 BB 0 R 13 K. 16.71 K/9. 3.86 BB/9 -
Adams with a good start tonight 7 IP 4 H 2 BB 4 K 0 ER. Burdi 2 IP 0 H 2 BB 2 K 0 R. Since his blowup in his 1st AA appearance he has put up 19 IP 3 ER (1.42 ERA) 6 H 7 BB (0.68 WHIP) 27 K (12.79 K/9) over 13 appearances.
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I mean what else can Hansen do at the rookie ball level? 26 2/3 IP 9 H 7 BB 0.60 WHIP 5 ER 1.69 ERA 43 K 14.51 K/9 2.36 BB/9 6.14 K:BB It would be so nice if he turned out to be an ace.
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QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:52 PM) http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?c...mp;ymd=20160801 Collins 0-5 Burdi 2IP, 0H, 1K, 0BB Looks like Burdi has adjusted well to AA after his disastrous first appearance. 1st game in AA: 1G 0 IP 4 ER INF ERA 0 K 4 BB 1 H All other games in AA: 9 G 13 2/3 IP 3 ER 1.98 ERA 21 K 13.83 K/9 5 BB 3.29 BB/9 4.2 K:BB 6 H 0.80 WHIP
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Does the potential Bud Norris injury pretty much dictate that the Dodgers have to get another starter? Not necessarily Q, but wouldn't they also be looking at Shields or Gonzalez at this point?
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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) I hope you're right. More teams are in it in the winter, but the pressure and the premium are there in July. Supposedly the Sox are looking for players off of ML rosters, which suggests retooling , not rebuilding, and not a serious effort at that (contenders aren't going to trade their contributors). We'll see. Like others, I have my doubts in the FO in making the right deals. If the Sox were going for it in 2017 wouldn't trading Duke ($5.5 in 2017) signal the end of that thought? Or do they think that Tilson is their answer in CF, and he will push them past the .500 mark and into the playoffs next season? Who are their C's for 2017? Who's in our pen next year? We'll find out a lot in the next 26 hours. Hopefully it's a tear down/rebuild job.
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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:39 PM) dodgers talking about archer and/or moore from TB, as @jaysonst @Ken_Rosenthal said. not much Sale talk around LAD lately https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/759805621571059712 If you aren't going to get a quality deal for Sale or Q now, there is no reason to move them. Deal them in the winter when you have more teams in the mix and an extremely weak free agent crop. Getting rid of Duke is a good start and signals they aren't competing next year. So start dumping Jackson, Avila, Navarro, & Morneau for anything you can get now. Dump anyone of Frazier, Gonzalez, Robertson, Shields, Lawrie, Melky, Abreu, & Garcia now if you get a nice return. If not try to deal them in the offseason as well, or in Avi's case do not offer arbitration.
