Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) I'm kind of surprised how many people want Engel starting over Cordell. I want Cordell starting. Ideally, a team would buy Avi at this season's production price in the off-season and we used Cordell in RF.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) White Sox have 6 open spots on the 40 man. Wow...and will have a lot open up after this year with Pelfrey, Holland Gonzalez all gone.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) Sweeny MurtiVerified account @YankeesWFAN A's came off Frazier/Torres package and asked for Florial/Mateo package + more. #Yankees will not make that deal either. 4 hours to go. I bet Yankees do end up making that deal. They're going to wait it out to see if the A's budge any further.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) Think of it this way, if the White Sox were in contention, and they traded for Miguel Gonzalez, or Derek Holland or Mike Pelfrey or Tyler Clippard and gave up anything better than Courtney Hawkins, how pissed would you be? And how much would you question the White Sox braintrust sanity thinking these were guys that could get them over the top? Trading for a guy like Gonzalez I don't think would be about "putting your team over the top." Pretty much just to give you a better chance every 5th day than what you currently have and likely leave him off playoff roster if you have 4 guys better.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) Next years lineup should be: CF L. Garcia 2B Moncada 1B Abreu RF A. Garcia DH Gillaspie 3B Davidson LF Cordell C Narvaez SS Anderson I think Delmonico can be at DH. It can actually be an open competition between him, Gillaspie and Hayes.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) The big problem other than I wonder how much you want to expose very young pitchers to very little chance of winning, is innings. I don't think the White Sox want these guys pitching regular rotation turns until October 1. Just remember 2007 when they shut John Danks down early. That's why I'm thinking they could go 6-man rotation. This scenario with Pelfrey and Holland gone: 1. Rodon 2. Shields 3. Lopez 4. Holmberg (has started games for us) 5. Danish 6. Beck/Volstad. But good change at least one of Pelfrey and Holland are here. In September, their bullpen can have an extra 4-5 arms as well. Edit: who knows, maybe they make a minor trade and pick up another veteran arm pitching in the minors on another team to start games for the Sox at the MLB level (similar to the Lowe and Machi move).

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) Yep, this is how I see it too. He's out until 2019, and come 2019 I think the Sox will be looking more towards actually fielding a competitive team, even if it's not quite there. Can you really count on a guy coming off Tommy John who has never shown a propensity towards staying healthy? And even if they aren't competitive enough, what are you going to get for a 32 year old injury-prone reliever set for free agency? I could see non-tendering and signing a minor league contract, but I think he'd prefer to take an opportunity elsewhere. I'm also not Zach Putnam, and he's actually been successful with the Sox and never anyone else, so maybe he'd be interested in that, having the Sox organization look after him during his recovery. This seems to be sort of common with guys. You see them get released and then signed to a minor league deal just as a formality to take them off the 40-man. It's something they would talk about and agree to first before just doing it (if the Sox even want to that is).

Indians pushing hard for Zach Britton.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) He's on the 60 day DL. He's not taking up a spot on the 40 man. That's true but if they keep him in the off-season, he's back on the 40-man.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) That's assuming none out of 30 teams would offer him anything better. For a guy that's going to miss all of 2018, I don't think anyone would.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 09:06 AM) If we trade Holland, MiGo and Pelf, who's going to pitch rest of the season? Call up Lopez? Volstad? Should we start stretching Leury's arm now so he could pitch more than 1 inning? I am not sure if these guys are worth trading, will probably go for guys we will never heard of again, e.g. Blackmar and Chalas. Rodon and Shields for sure, Lopez gets the call-up, maybe Danish or Volstad, Holmberg and Beck can move to the rotation. Fulmer shouldn't be called up. Maybe Giolito. They have enough guys as options to cover the final 2 spots (or 3 if they want to do a 6-man rotation).

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) Putnam aint getting released with 2 years of control left Can't they release him and sign him to a minor league deal to take him off the 40-man?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 08:45 AM) The bottom line is unless they decide to trade Abreu or maybe Avi, the prospects coming back won't be very interesting. Gonzalez is a 5th starter really on a good team, if that. If Holland had signed with a contender and not the White Sox, he would have been released by now. Pelfrey will get you nothing. He was already available for free to all the teams. After a slow start, Hahn has gotten rid of just about everything he wanted to get rid of that would net them at least something that had a chance. You gotta count on your scouts to find those low-A gems that could potentially be available. Guys with flaws you think can be fixed. I don't think anyone is expecting big returns for any of the remaining guys. Just something. Something is better than nothing at all for a guy you're losing in 2 months.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 07:52 AM) Last day of non waiver deals, do you think any of these guys go? Hopefully all 3.

Splits Below: VS Righthanders: .293/.373/.567 VS Lefthanders: .218/.277/.356

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) 17 hours to go. One more, Rick. Miguel Gonzalez. I'm hoping Gonzo to a team needing a 5th starter uograde and Holland to a team looking to add a loogy.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) Things you wouldn't have guessed 10 years ago - the twins sending money to the Yankees. Someone on mlbtr comments said with revenue sharing, it's almost like Yankees paying for him hah

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) Is it in bad taste to flip a player you recently traded for? Like would Atlanta be hesitant to deal with the Twins again after this? No. They don't care. This isn't the first time this has ever happened.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/new-...p;post-id=98599

QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:14 PM) Obviously still awhile away, but I wanted to drum up some discussion. We're most likely going to have a top 5 pick in both drafts. What does everyone hope the moves are? Are we looking for best player available? High school vs. College? What do we all want and think? BPA hopefully a college bat.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) This is fair. I know if I was still living in Chicago I'd go to a lot more games this year compared to the last few just to show my support for the direction but I'm obviously only one person. I've been to 7 so I've been to a steady amount. Have fallen into free tickets to most of them though. Granted, for the ones I did pay for, I went the $7 route. Edit: according to my sig, I've already been to the same amount of games as last season lol

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) I liked to see it just cause of how so many people thought rebuilding was never realistic because attendance was going to completely tank. I definitely thought we'd see a decrease this year because of the casual fan just not caring at all but I've been pleasantly surprised. I would think it would be more the die-hard fans that would be deterred. The casual fans would still go just to go out with friends and drink some beers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) Forget it, he's rolling. There's no stopping him at this point.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) Chris Cotillo‏Verified account @ChrisCotillo 5m5 minutes ago Source confirms: Mariners trade Steve Cishek to Rays for Erasmo Ramirez. @Feinsand and @jonmorosi on it. Steve Cishek is also a guy didn't put on a list I had created a few days ago. Having a nice year as well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) With is arb status, it wouldn't shock me if Putnam is a non-tender for 2018. Not sure on who needs to be added still, but I get the feeling there will be plenty of room. Melky, Holland, Pelfrey and MiGo are all gone at some point, at a minimum. We could still find deals on others. Yeah Putnam could easily be dfa'd.