Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) I think you guys are hinting at an important point here so I'm going to say it explicitly - the Red Sox clubhouse was supposedly a mess last year. Price was apparently the closest thing they had to a clubhouse leader last year and he became that by attacking the media. The Red Sox's young guys like Betts weren't able to step into those roles. So, "Guy who can be a strong clubhouse influence alongside a fairly young team" actually fits the Red Sox's needs quite well. Put him in alongside Alex Cora and you've built a different team right from the start. Pedroia wasn't much of a leader last year during that whole Machado incident but he's always seemed like one. I think his teammates respect him.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) Any idea who the "others" could be from Heyman's tweet? I would guess Cardinals for sure since they are moving Carpenter off first and are looking for a middle of the order bat. And I'll guess Rockies too.

I don't see a deal happening here. I think Rockies and Cardinals would have better pieces to move.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) He better have really wanted him... I've yet to find someone who was super happy with that deal though (like the others) If Rutherford came over and hit immediately, you would have no problem finding someone.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) JBJ is a guy controlled for an extra season who also could be extended, and since he is younger, maybe a better candidate for that. Premium GG quality defender up the middle. If you could get a good prospect or 2 with him, I have liked Abreu as much as anyone, but I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. Jose could come back in 2 years and DH. Heck, they could even flip Bradley if he has a year similar to 2016.

QUOTE (shipps @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) I know we love Jose and most of appreciate what he has brought to our team but I am ecstatic that there is even this strong of a market for him right now. Considering last season there was close to none and leading up until now it seemed to be projecting to have very little of a market with all the other FA's and trades available out there. It's surprising since there seems to be enough 1B out there for just money.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I'm obviously pro-rebuild and also believe that the Sox still need more talent in the system to really do this right, but I don't like this fit. Obviously there's a price for any player, but I don't see anything left in the Red Sox system that would make sense. I've said it before, but I think Abreu is worth more to the White Sox than he is on the open market. Fortunately, they are not the only team the Sox are talking to.

Can't wait for greg to see this lol

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=bos Posted for relevance. But remember, there are other teams in play.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) And they sucked the next season. They had Papi, and Napoli filling the 1b/DH spots. I wonder how bad he would have been at 3B, especially when he was a bigger guy. Napoli was a free agent after 2013 so who knows if they would have even brought him back.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) The Red Sox were initially going to use him at 3B. I remember him signing while the Red Sox were still in the playoffs. I feel like that kind of hurts negotiations.

Thanos is finally coming down to earth after 6 years.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) Right before I mentioned that I would not want to deal any significant prospects for JBJ, and I don't like the fit of an Avi or Abreu to Boston deal if JBJ is the main piece coming back is what I meant. Basically I don't see a JBJ deal happening. Wasn't fully directed at you but I've just seen it in this thread and possibly others. My bad.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) I'll agree with you on that^ I don't really see JBJ being a good fit for the White Sox right now. With only three seasons of control remaining (his more expensive arbitration years too) I would not be inclined to part with significant prospects for him. 2018 and likely 2019 are not our window to compete, wasting most of the time he would be under contract. If I am dealing Avi or Abreu I would want younger, cost controlled players in return. Where did the idea of JBJ or Abreu even come from? I haven't seen that suggested anywhere other than this site. I think Bradley ends up getting moved for someone like Salazar (just an example, but someone with a few years of control) in a 1-for-1 swap. And that only happens if the Red Sox land a power corner outfield bat.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 07:53 AM) We have four years of control left with him. I’d give him the 3B job to start the year and then reevaluate things at the trade or more likely in next offseason. No reason to rush a trade with him when there’s a chance we may need him. Oh absolutely. I love him in as a bench piece that can start regularly if needed for injury. Was just tossing out teams that might be willing to pay for him. I know the Angels farm isn't stacked, but they aren't rebuilding during the Trout era.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 07:44 AM) He will get the same type of contract that any draft pick or international amateur free agent. The money that everyone keeps throwing around is the amount of the signing bonus that he can get. After than each team would have the same contract with him that would be six years of control with the first three at basically league minimum and the next three going through arbitration. Teams can sign him to an extension to buy out his arb years and maybe more and that contract could be for a good amount of money, but the question everyone is asking is how long does a team have to wait to offer that extension so that the league allows it and how is the league going to make sure that extension talks don't happen during the initial signing as a way to circumvent the rules. For example, the league probably wouldn't allow an extension after Ohtani's first game because they would say that it was probably agreed to during the initial signing. Likewise, they probably won't allow a contract that offers $200 mil for 5 years after his first year because that is more than can be expected in arb and doesn't get any free agent years, meaning it was probably agreed to during the initial signing. So long story short, whoever gets him gets him for 6 years on the same contract anyone from the minors gets but he will probably sign an extension at some point but no one knows when it will be allowed. I don't think it really matters about when but also more about for how much. Like Tim Anderson, he could sign after 2018 and sign a 5-year deal that pays him just a bit extra the first 2 years (pre-arb) and then buys out his 3 years of arbitration (so overall, a 5-year deal) as long as it's within reason. I would expect him to want to go to free agency as early possible since he is already forfeiting millions coming early anyway. At the same time, who knows if he would even want that early extension since he could theoretically earn more going year-to-year in arbitration.

I wonder if the Angels would be interested in Sanchez. They have a big hole at 2B.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/holy-crap-the-first...r-is-1820777633 This looks amazing.

QUOTE (Real @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 04:43 AM) So can the Sox sign him to a multi-year deal? I know they can only spend up to 300k on him when they sign him, but that's one year. How would a multi-year deal work? Can you spread an international contract out past your money cap of 300k? Assuming they can, it would have to look something like, 4 years 70 million year 1 300,000 year 2 21,700,000 year 3 23,000,000 year 4 25,000,000 I have no idea how much money he's going to get, so don't put any stock into the 70 million The $300k is a signing bonus. Then he goes through the 6 years of control like everyone else who comes up through the minors.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) They don’t announce non-tenders until that date. Remember last year when we thought they were going to let Lawrie go, but it didn’t happen. It is a good question though- if they intend to nontender a player, why not DFA them before the prospect protection date to protect more players? I was just thinking that and maybe it has something to do with their status of being arbitration players. Like they can't be released, dfa'd, waived and only non-tendered on this date. Of course, I could be wrong but it sure seems that way.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) I actually thought that his recently stated position showed some change. Seems to me that ( at least in that post ), he's on board with the same plan that management is executing. I noticed that in a thread about two weeks ago and then last week saw him going off about us wanting to trade Abreu and Avi again like he doesn't understand why so who knows lol

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 02:05 PM) Why won't you guys comment on my position and my post? I really want to hear what out of all my position entails is wrong or not at least very logical. Because we've been commenting on your position for almost a year now. We are kinda tired of it. It's not our fault you ignore what we say and continue to blindly post.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Houston has been shedding scouts, I'm assuming they are replacing them with analysts. Anyhoo, in August when that started we talked about wanting sox to add those guys. it appears we have added one. I recall that as well.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) I'm a little biased when it comes to the medical reasons but they should really push this. The kid is young, has had injury issues and will really need to work to adjust to the MLB schedule. The medical staff should be important to him, whether he thinks so or not. It is: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/shoh...-mlb-teams.html See number 2. Plus the Sox are really good about breaking in young arms. Carry a guy in long-relief who can start and go with a 6-man rotation occasionally and skip guys to provide more rest.

Is there some sort of rule where they have to wait til this week to non-tender players? I would think if they non-tendered anyone, it would have happened to make room to protect prospects on the 40.