Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) Yeah, I'd be floored if both Beck and Kendall made it to us at 11. I'd take either, but definitely want one of the two. Imagine if Haseley was there (a mock draft dated yesterday has us taking him at 11).

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) I said this earlier in the thread, but I'm also no rooting for all individual players to do poorly. I want Avi to be a real baseball player, Q/Gonzo/Shields to all pitch well enough to be traded, Frazier to remember how to hit, etc. etc.....But I also want them to lose as many games as possible. I know both of those may not be possible, but that's what I'm 'rooting' for. Hopefully we can unload at the deadline and have those losses pile up. It's definitely possible for both to happen. You could have a starter go 6-7 innings giving up 2-3 runs and the bullpen comes in and does while Frazier goes 2-3 with a HR and they lose 3-1, 3-2. Or there are games where the offense does good but the starters maybe give up 4 runs. Maybe guys get hits only when no one is on base. Definitely a lot of scenarios where you can have a decent amount of guys doing well but still losing consistently.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Me too. Hell I would probably drive him to his next destination and let him pick out the radio station. Lol same.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) The problem is it isn't that simple. If you suck, that usually is because your players all suck. The Sox still have enough guys on this roster that could have trade value. Looking at what major leaguers bring back in trades versus was statistical expectations are from kids in the drafter at relative draft positions, the White Sox stand to gain MUCH more in the long term by winning 75 games because guys like Yolmer Sanchez and Avi Garcia had break out seasons and exploded their trade value than if we just outright sucked all around. Take the Sale deal. We essentially got 3 advanced and years matured first round pick talents, plus another flyer for Sale. We could do the same for Q if he pitches well. If Avi keeps hitting like an all-star we could pull another large package for him, versus his being a DFA if he has another poor season. Looking at the whole body of work, we could be talking like 10 additional top flight prospects in our system because our players are good enough to win games, versus just better draft position in each round if not. If a team offers the Sox anything of value (a top 100 prospect and a few more highly touted guys) I'd pack Avi's bags and drive him to the airport myself.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) This is pretty much exactly the way I feel. Also how I feel.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) See, that's where I think you're wrong. I understand and appreciate the rebuild. The losses don't both me. It's openly rooting for losing that is ridiculous. This team isn't very good, and they are going to lose a lot, and that is fine, but turning on the game and hoping that someone like Miguel Gonzalez gets lit up so the Sox gain a game in the draft is crazy. The possible trade pieces have to at least do good.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:05 AM) To each their own. I will never enjoy the White Sox losing. I don't think it's really about getting enjoyment out of their losses. Just accepting that it may be better in the long run. Fortunately for us, this is year 1 of a rebuild and whether we want them or not, the losses will pile up regardless.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2017 -> 09:16 PM) 1. Philly (-14) 2. SD 0.5 GB 3. SF 1.0 GB 4. Miami 3 GB 5. Atlanta 3 GB 6. NYM 3.5 GB CHW 3.5 GB OAK 3.5 GB PITT 3.5 GB 10. KCR 4.0 GB 11. STL 4.5 GB TEX 4.5 GB This isn't technically a tie. We are above NYM and PIT. It goes by last year's draft order when there is a tie in standings. We are currently 7th. On a side-note, wow that NL East is dog sh!t.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 08:38 AM) He hasn't played in a year. His first couple of games, I think there will be overreaction either way. Of course there will be.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 07:36 AM) Centerfield "When" not "where."

I'm back on the Beer train. It looks like he finished strong since I last checked a few months ago when I was down on him. 16 HR, 64 BB (21.4% rate), 35 ks (11.7% rate), .298 AVG, .478 OBP, .606 SLG. If a team believes he can stick anywhere on the field (whether it be LF or 1B), he could legit middle of the order bat for a while.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 06:49 AM) This really news? Figured everyone knew he was a cheater when he had two kids with two different woman less than a year apart. Oh, I guess the domestic violence is new though. Cubs fans will surely come to his support like they did with previous heros Aroldis Chapman & Starlin Castro. Can confirm. My boss at my last company I worked for lives (maybe he moved out since?) in the same building as him and like 6 other Cubs players (it's a block from the stadium so it makes sense for some of the younger guys). And I feel like adultery/cheating seems pretty obvious when players (any sports) are on the road anywhere from 7-10 months of the year. Isn't that one of the reasons Josh Fields wanted to retire after like his first year with us? Considering he had only played with the Sox at that point, obviously some players were banging women that were not their wives.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 7, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) What city? ...Tampa?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 7, 2017 -> 03:39 AM) What's up with you and your Rodon hate? ? He didn't appear to throw any shade at Rodon in that post.

Trade value!!!

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 6, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) With his agent it is almost 100% guaranteed that he'll be hitting the open market and asking for a lot...probably much more than the Sox are going to be willing to pay (unless by that time they are under new ownership.) Taking all that into account you move him if there is a very good offer on the table. The issue is that I don't think Rodon has ever been healthy and contributed for a full season in his short career. That certainly could limit trade opportunities...at least getting something making a deal worthwhile in my opinion. Yeah, you probably have to wait until at least 2018/2019 off-season to even consider it.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jun 6, 2017 -> 07:21 AM) I'm not writing Quintana off after a very bad 2 months, but he needs an equally strong 2 months to re-emerge as the top pitcher on the market come July else there's no sense in moving him until he has rebounded. Question on Rodon for the larger group. If he comes back to pitch this season (and he is on track too by all reports) and show his top of the rotation type stuff consistently, do the White Sox trade him in the off-season? He's a Boras agent and the clock is ticking. If the White Sox are good in 2-3 years from now, isn't he a free agent after another year or two beyond that? Does it make sense to keep a guy around who has little chance on being here beyond his rookie/arbitration years? I would definitely listen on Rodon. Trade him for the right offer. He might only be here for 1 or 2 years of the Sox being good and that's if everything goes right.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 01:49 PM) I'm sick of the bunts. As far as the bullpen usage goes WTF is he supposed to even do when your starters are this bad and/or can't go more than 80 pitches? The injuries to the rotation have finally caught up to the Sox the past two weeks and it's showing in the strain on the pen. I really, really, really want to see Shields, Lopez and Rodon in this rotation by July. Start building some trade value for Shields and start building for the future with Rodon and Lopez. Same. We need a biter(s) on Gonzalez or Holland first though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) Obviously the Cubs didn't get rid of him because he likes to bunt. They even said he was coming back until Maddon became available. He is in love with the bunt for this particular team. He brought in a pitching machine to practice bunting against some velocity last week. But that's this team. If the line up ever gets stacked, I doubt he bunts as much. Agreed 100%. This isn't like a 90s/early 2000s team we're talking about.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) In fairness, most of this depends on what happens on the field. A well done call gets remembered regardless of who made it in particularly momentous events. I think Benetti will grow into the role just fine. This. We'll see how Benetti is when there is actually a really good competitive team out there making deep memorable runs (no I'm not talking about a 23-10 start).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 5, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) There has been talk now Harper might get $500 million. With all their young guys going to get really expensive at the same time, and tax penalties, keeping that team intact and signing Harper isn't going to happen. No team has that kind of money. Agreed. He wants a huge deal and Bryant, 3 years later, will look to top that. Plus, they will still have Heyward on the books and likely a pitcher that they will overspend on. Plus, all their current players will be in arbitration and Rizzo will be a free agent at some point in that time. Could see them signing Harper and then letting Bryant walk a few years later. I guess they could attempt to retain everyone but that would also require paying the luxury tax.

Currently 6th pick.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 03:27 PM) Right. It was a win-now pick. Collins was the #1 pick for the future, and Burdi was the bonus pick they talked themselves into thinking he could help in the stretch drive, a la Finnegan for the Royals. Burdi may still be a good piece to the rebuild, but you never know with power arms. Good point. Don't think they would have taken him if they were committed to rebuilding at that time.

This is brutal how long this game is. I went to the Sale game this week and hated how slow it was. Only went because I thought it would be a quick game. Wanted to leave early at like 9:30 due to it being a work night and a bad game.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) We're hearing f bombs from the plate after every strikeout. This is funny. Reminds me of my Sunday league team.