Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) Well that would certainly give the Sox a few more toys to play with in a Q to Rockies trade. Dahl or Tapia with Rodgers please

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 11:04 AM) This thread title is so misleading. Every time I see it I think there's an actual substantive report of a deal being done, not just "Sox shopping Robertson." There are probably a half-dozen better ways to title this thread that won't mislead readers. lol it happens to me too.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) The lesson we have learned from trades is that teams are largely unwilling to part with players that impact their immediate mlb rosters (Bregman, Turner, Swanson, Benintendi, etc.), but are willing to part with prospects that are not mlb ready right now (Moncada, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez, Dunning, Basabe, Diaz). It makes sense because subtracting a bat from the mlb roster creates another hole to fill. Rodgers should very much be on the table in trade talks though I do feel like asking for Rodgers and Dahl plus an additional 2 pieces would kind of be asking for a lot. A deal would probably be more along the lines of Rodgers, Tapia (could plug him into center next season), and then 2-3 additional pieces. I guess it kind of depends on who else they move from the OF and how serious they are about Desmond at 1B or acquiring another.

Man, if we're judging people based on small sample sizes, people are going to hate this team in the middle of a rebuild lol

QUOTE (Username @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:45 AM) Guys, this is why you have to be careful with sample sizes and stats: - Reed had only 15 ABs all of last year against lefties in the majors. 1-15 is bad, but Alex Bregman started 1-32 OVERALL. - The guy had an 870 OPS against lefties in the minors last year. - He's 23 and sprinted through the minors. Still tons of time to develop. Way way too early to call him a platoon bat. Would love to see him in a Q deal as a buy low. As a final piece, I'd be ok with him.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) I don't think the Rox want to trade Dahl, but they're idiots if they plan to play Desmond at 1B. And in order for him to go to the OF, they need to trade either Dahl, Gonzalez or Blackmon. And they badly need pitching. I can guarantee you Hahn is asking for Dahl. Agreed. They were also rumored to still have interest in Trumbo.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:37 AM) I've always thought this...how a team stacked full with players with this much value who everyone is willing to mortgage their farm to get (as the Sox have) could be so far away from contending that they would need to wipe everything clean and start over is baffling. Cardinals fan at work asked me the same thing lol "how can one team have so many valuable pieces that almost all teams want and be that bad?" haha

QUOTE (Special K @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) Thanks but still think the headline piece we get back for Q needs to be a top positional player prospect. Not a buy-low guy or an outfielder who could be above-average. No one said that "a buy-low guy or an outfielder who could be above-average" should be the center piece.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) That's insane. Why not give that money to Boone Logan who they're familiar with and trust? Sox should seriously just sign Boone Logan and take him off the market for Jennings. Then just trade him in July or next off-season (if he signs a multi-year deal).

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) OK I watch baseball, I promise, I really do and I have never heard of this guy. lol he is a lefty reliever who was with the Marlins.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) That's insane. Why not give that money to Boone Logan who they're familiar with and trust? Maybe he wants a 4th year? I assume they would talk to him.

Rockies sign Mike Dunn. 3yr/$18m. Go all-in Rockies and deal for Q and Robertson.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) TOTALLY forgot about that. Axe Bautista 1000% Morneau or Hamilton wouldn't be bad though. Maybe a Luis Valbuena I like these signings. Especially Valbuena if we deal away Frazier.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) I dont think its a coincidence that the only 2 players who have been moved so far are "Drake" fans. Well see how this all goes, but there is definitely a chance that the "rebuild" was being used to distract from the real agenda, getting rid of the outspoken "Drake" fans. This same thought literally just crossed my mind before my post above this one.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:52 AM) I pretty much said this same thing in a lot less words yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Sox patchwork this thing and see if they can stay around .500 until the young guns are ready in June. Generally speaking, I don't think its the best plan, but its a super White Sox thing to do. And plus, I am OK with it if they don't find the trade offers on Q, Abreu, Frazier, Robertson, Melky, Lawrie to their liking. Can always trade the guys with 1 year left in June/July to the highest bidder, and its not like any of those guys have tremendous value now. I don't see Q's value going anywhere in the next year, and if Abreu hits like he did in the 2nd half last year, his value will probably go up. Trading Melky for someone's 15th best prospect that will never make the majors does nothing for me, personally. I don't see the Sox splurging for Bautista - no way they give up the pick. Hamilton on a minor league deal would be interesting, but I think the Rangers will bring him back on a minors pact. I think Rasmus in CF, and either Alvarez or Morneau at DH is a real possibility. I am intrigued by Revere if we can't get Rasmus, but I'd really like to see if we can get anything out of Liriano in RF this year. Maybe Hank Conger at C. Another reclamation project SP. That team probably isn't .500 on June 1, but it's probably not that far away either. The lineup isn't all bad. A big first half from Q, Rodon continuing his development, Gonzo being Gonzo, and if Shields isn't a complete pumpkin, that team could be within a few games of .500. Yeah while I'm confident they want to rebuild, what if the guys that are here now actually play good enough to compete? Guys who are already here but expected to be dealt plus whoever they add for sign-and-flip candidates on one year deals? And then the guys we call up make an immediate impact? Do they just abandon the rebuild?

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) Agreed Unless they improve the rotation and bullpen that team is not going to the playoff anytime soon Surprised they weren't in on Sale more. They should be targeting guys who miss bats in that ballpark.

Don't really want them surrendering a first-round pick for Bautista.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:43 AM) I'm sure Rockies fans would be frustrated if the team does nothing to improve its rotation and bullpen. They have the lineup to compete, but the rotation and especially bullpen leave a ton to be desired. Standing pat is not really an option for them Yeah at some point they need to just go all in. Whatever they've been doing the past however many years isn't working.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) I agree with you here. With Bregman out of the picture, I prefer the Rockies' potential targets to the Astros'. Particularly Rodgers and Dahl, along with secondary pieces like McMahon and Murphy. 4 of their top 10 prospects, all position players? Sign me up.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) I agree honey. Wtf haha

I bet a lot of moves happen (not just our team but around the MLB in general) in the next 8-9 days before the holidays.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:15 AM) Most baseball analysts seem to think that the White Sox fleeced the Nationals for Eaton. That is not necessarily the case for a variety of reasons. First, Eaton is very underrated as a defensive player, as a lead-off man, a base runner, and as a clutch hitter with power. He really started to flourish as a defensive player last season. Second, the Nationals are unlikely to sign Bryce Harper when he hits free agency, so they are now insured that RF will be manned by Eaton . Third, Giolito is not a sure thing as was demonstrated when he came up to the major league level last season. Quintana is likewise one of the more underrated players in baseball. Anyone who has watched the White Sox over the past few years has seen Quintana battle and keep the White Sox in games despite the lack of run support. Quintana is consistent, durable and he is signed for four years in a team friendly contract. The Sox should hold on to Quintana unless they are bowled over with an offer. Wait to trade Quintana until the trade deadline to maximize return. If he's in center field, his defensive value goes down. I don't know if the plan is for him or Harper to play center though.

QUOTE (Special K @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) So we can expect another package centered around pitching prospects? I understand the philosophy of stocking up on arms, but at some point we're going to need to go for bats. We can draft bats, but drafting 1 or 2 is not going to improve our depth much (especially when there's a good chance one of those picks busts). Almost seems to be the exact opposite of the Cubs farm philosophy at this point. They stockpiled on positional prospects and then signed pitching (or traded for it). I do want them to make a deal where we take back like 3 bats.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) I disagree. 1. McCutchen makes Meadowns expendable. Even if they traded McCutchen, the return could be used to acquire Quintana without having to trade Meadows. 2. The Pirates have a lot of talent in both the majors and the minors. Adding Quintana would add wins sooner vs. later (with prospects). 3. Quintana is under control for four years. If they kept McCutchen and added Quintana, they could make a run for it the next couple of years and sell McCutchen at the 2018 trade deadline (if they aren't in it) and trade Quintana. That would easily replenish their minors. The risk there is if either player declines. Quintana is exactly what the Pirates need, a 4 years cost controller top of the rotation starter. I don't disagree with any of what you're saying but I would still be a bit shocked to see them make the move.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) Possible, but hard to see them giving up Reyes honestly. And even then they really don't have a whole lot of position player prospects. Bader, Perez, and Carson Kelly are about all they have and Bader is unspectacular as they come and Perez is very far away. Kelly we should be interested in though. 0 interest in Wong. Maybe if they included Grichuk? Not sure of his service time though, 4 years left of control I believe? They could always make it interesting with their competitive balance pick (but that would have to be like a 5th piece).