Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 06:25 PM) Stubbs is ranked #10 in Baseball America's rankings for the Astros. Is that updated or an old list? I saw him listed as 30 on mlb.com.

When is LeMahieu a free agent? If Rodgers bat is really good, they'll find another position for him.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) The more I look the more I want a deal to go down with Colorado. And they have more than enough depth to pull it off too, a lot of high picks and talent in their organization. Brendan Rodgers, Raimel Tapia, David Dahl, Riley Pint, Tom Murphy, Ryan McMahon, Kyle Freeland, Jordan Patterson, Garrett Hampson, Brian Mundell, Sam Hilliard, Ryan Castellani....a really good package of players could come out of that group. My only concern is if Rodgers is involved the deal would most likely be Rodgers, Pint, and 2 low level guys. That would be right in line with what we got for Sale, just not quite as good. And don't get me wrong, I'd be very happy with Rodgers but a depth package from Colorado where Roders isn't involved would also really entice me. Probably crazy and far fetched, but how insane wold Frazier be in Coors? Could be an interesting 1b option for them, I could see him hitting 50 in Coors no problem and the Rockies shattering the record for most HR's in a season. Frazier and Q for Rodgers, Pint, Tapia, McMahon, and Yency Almonte I would take that deal in a heartbeat. I really want Jansen to sign already. I feel like hes holding up a lot of potential dominoes that could fall.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 09:16 AM) I'm 24, 'bae' and 'lit' drive me absolutely crazy. I'm 25 and agree lol

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:53 PM) What the f*** is up with this millennial new age term: "bae"? I'm a millenial (as a millenial is technically anyone under 30) and I hate it lol

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:21 PM) 100% agree. I really hope neither guy signs with the Dodgers, that would be the best case scenario for us. Jansen to Marlins and Turner wherever else (don't know who else has reported interest though) would be ideal.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:08 PM) I'm dying for a new rumor. I think Frazier and Robertson will move quickly once Turner and Jansen sign.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 10:37 PM) Yeah, most interesting stuff was giolito but it also reinforced for me buckets line that deals getting done soon depends on other GMs not Hanna willingness to continue rebuild We need Jansen and Turner to sign soon. Looks like Jansen got married this weekend and Turner was there.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 09:38 PM) I want to be optimistic, but this is way too far. The Indians, Royals, and Tigers will all have much better 2017 teams. The Twins might even have a better 2017 team. Personally, I'm hoping the White Sox have the 2018 #1 pick. That will require every team to be better than the 2017 White Sox. Not quite there yet but we're not done dealing yet either.

QUOTE (Moncada @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 09:26 PM) I honestly believe that if the Sox trade Q for a great package then they will have a legit chance to improve on their finish from last year. I can see a 3rd place finish in the division or even 2nd depending on the performance of the prospects when they hit the big leagues. So we trade our 3 best players for prospects and we finish second place? I'll have what you're having.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 09:05 PM) Ken Rosenthal reported that he's coming over and he reported that after the new CBA was done. But these new rules do not work out in his favor, if he wants more money he should stay but he'd be taking a huge risk There was another report (forgot from who) after that report saying it was unlikey now.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) Will someone please explain the $31.5 MM bonus? I thought it was paid at signing. If not, how much is left? Etc. I'm pretty certain they are paying it in 3 installments so about 1/3 of it is remaining.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 08:55 PM) Probably could have had Devers if we paid Moncada's $30M? How many prospects is that $30M worth. Red Sox aren't even paying him $30 mill. He's owed about ten.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) What ever it takes to sign Shoei Otani, they should do. Really good chance he isn't coming over next year as he would be restricted.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) He must really not want to be a Marlin to have not accepted 5/80+ at this point. Wow. And with no state income tax, it seems like that offer would have be even more of a plus.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) Rockies need pitching and first base. A Really big trade of Q, Robertson, and Abreu might then be enough to get Rodgers, and Dahl and a young catcher. Takes a lot of guts on both sides to do it. Rox can throw in an unknown first baseman, too, since they won't need him. Rockies probably would not do it, though. But, then, Rockies are very close to being a playoff team in 2017, and this trade would help them a lot in that regard. Desmond would go to LF, and they then have a lineup that can really score runs, plus a much better pitching staff. I think Desmond is playing first and there was talk of CarGo moving there a couple months ago.

QUOTE (Moncada @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) If we trade with the Rockies I would want Dahl to be in that conversation as well Good point. I forgot about Dahl. I did look up Rodgers stats from last season and then I thought maybe they won't move him for anyone lol (except of course, a young controllable cheap front of the rotation arm).

What do you think the Sox would need back if they traded Quintana, Robertson and Jennings (read yesterday they are looking for pitching; Jennings replaces Logan) plus some of Robertson's contract to the Rockies? Rodgers and Tapia start the convo?

Rockies should be all over him. They have to overspend to get pitchers there anyway and hes signed so cheap over 4 years. They need to make a move like this. How about Quintana, Robertson and possibly Jennings for Rodgers and 3 other pieces?

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 08:00 AM) Player development is more important than the first pick. If any of these guys appear MLB ready then by all means they should be up. It's going to take time for these guys to become ready and then it's going to take time for them to acclimate to the majors. I'm not saying speed up their timelines, just don't inhibit them in an effort to draft one player with the highest pick. The development of many far out ways the drafting of just one player. I hold alot of value in that first pick but still not as important as developing what is already in the farm. Losing games is a part of rebuilding with youth so the Sox are likely to have a high draft pick in '18 anyway. Agreed. Its possiblenthey struggle when they come up. Its very likely calling them up this season is going to make mich of an impact.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 07:09 AM) We have been spoiled by having Harry and Hawk for the last few decades. Moving forward , it would be great if Hawk and Stone retired and the Sox got a new announcing team, with Bennetti moving to the radio side. Stone Bennetti is fine.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) Soxtalk, because I care about you, I'm taking a hit for the team and am going to listen to the buster olney podcast for the Nightengale bits on Quintana. I will report back. Not all heroes wear capes.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) I think the pitching styles make Sale a much larger injury risk than Q, and even if injured, Q has a much better chance to regain his effectiveness. Yes, you need to move Q at some point, but there is no rush, let the market convince you to move him. Don't move him now just because you have started the rebuild process, move him when you can net the most talent. Right now your core is pretty spread out: ETA 2017 - Fulmer, Giolito, Lopez, Moncada, Burdi, Tilson, Peter ETA 2018 - Kopech, Collins, Hansen, Adams, Dunning, Fisher, Call, Diaz, Michalzewski ETA 2019 - Basabe,Nunez, (2017 Rnd 1 pick) ETA 2020 - Adolofo, Curbelo, Alfaro I think you can still go out and grab talent at the deadline that would easily fit into that window and along with that have more of a chance to evaluate guys that have a good chance to actually hit their ceilings, especially guys that you are going to be looking at fitting in around 2019. I keep forgetting about this guy and wouldn't mind him coming up and getting at bats at second if Frazier and/or Lawrie are moved (Lawrie moving to third if/when Frazier is dealt). Looks like he's actually played a lot of position over the past couple of years. Maybe we can groom him into versatile everyday player.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) Just a quick comp: Player A: 208 innings, 3.20 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 181 K's, Salary, Aprox 5M/yr Player B: 230 innings, 3.99 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 228 K's, Salary $30M/yr Player A is Q, and Player B is David Price. Now...my comp isn't to say that they are so similar--Price is more overpowering...but my point is to take a look at the cost to obtain a true ace of this caliber. The main numbers aren't THAT far apart. Most of Q's value comes in to play when teams can add a TOP of the line pitcher for minimal cost--then still have the $ to go buy a major FA. That's why I think Hahn should hold out on Bregman with Houston or for the top prospect for any other team. Getting Q at his current salary is like having a free David Price--then still being able to go out and buy ANOTHER David Price at market value. Trading for Q enables that 2-fold move--and for teams looking to win now, that's the type of move that puts your team over the top. Moves that put your team over the top these days cost you your top prospect. Kudos to Hahn for not settling--and I don't think he will on Q. With as many years left on his contract and as quiet as he is--Hahn could keep him at this value and have him for when our team is ready to make a run in 2-3 years. Quintana Giolito Rodon Lopez Kopech (Fulmer? Dunning? Burdi? Hensen? They seem to be relievers now, but sometimes that can change). Plus we can add a couple more TOP draft picks in there from what we're likely to have over the next couple of years). That's not a bad starting 5 as a "consequence" for not getting a Quintana deal done. That's almost worth Houston's best interest to break up now while they have the chance! Because if they don't--their window to win is slim--that is until this 5-some starts to come of age. The pressure is certainly more on Houston to get a deal done. They should trade for Q and have him locked up for years, then use their savings to sign Turner/Encarnicion to fill Bregman's spot--and they would still have $ left to add. Just my opinion. Huh? Burdi is definitely a reliever. Whichever other guys can't figure it out as a starter at the big league level will end up in the pen. With a lot of depth too, they can move arms for bats (like prospect for prospect type swaps later on).

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) Rangers also acquired Jeffress along with Lucroy, and when you consider that it does not make the trade look all that bad of Brinson + Ortiz + TBD The return for Quintana should be very similar to Sale given the 4th year of cheap control We received 2 elite prospects in Moncada and Kopech (top 30) + a "B" prospect in Basabe (top 200?) + lottery ticket in Diaz Lets say Kopech and Martes have equal value right now relatively speaking as a second piece The drop off from Moncada to Tucker is considerable, to the point where the third player in the deal would have to be of higher quality than Basabe (Reed/Fisher/Paulino) + a lottery ticket in the bottom of a team's system Teoscar Hernandez reminds me of Luis Basabe, but further along in his development. Houston likely won't want to pay the prospect price it will take to land Q, even if they really should consider it strongly I actually like Teoscar Hernandez myself. If he is in a potential deal, he could easily start at the major league level next year.