Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 06:31 PM) If the Sox don't get an offer they like, what about an alternative. Consider, 1) Q has been a great teammate and never b****ed about anything publicly. 2) He has been good and durable. 3) Could he be a great mentor for the young guns coming and anchor the staff? He has a four year deal with the last two being options that are considered team friendly given his production. What if the Sox guaranteed those two years (good for him) added two additional option years at a reasonable/slight discount (good for Sox). You could give him a slight signing bonus now or have moderate buyouts on the options to further sweeten the deal for him and to provide he doesn't get jerked around with rumors a full no trade clause for a couple years and then maybe limited no trade after. I hate to say that I prefer trading him but if the offers really aren't there wouldn't this be a viable alternative? You could also do this after this season to minimize the Sox risk but if he has a bad year it hurts everyone. I think they should trade him, but in a hypothetical extension, they'd basically have to restructure his current deal giving him more money over the next 4 years to even make it tempting for him to give up additional potential free agent years.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 04:59 PM) Farm system, sure. But how are we an improved without Sale and Eaton? Lol...thats a good point.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) After Vlad Jr., Reid Foley, Alford, Urena, Tellez their farm system drops off considerably At minimum one of those four players would have to be in a deal The three best prospects are Vlad Jr., Reid Foley and Urena, which all grade as B+ prospects Honestly, I'm not sure I see a deal getting done right now unless they wow us Robertson could be one of the better relief options at the deadline, and multiple suitors could drive up the price I do feel like the Blue Jays will not end up paying the cost and am willing to bet Robertson is here until mid-season (assuming no injury).

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 04:17 PM) I could see the Sox eating 6-10 million of the contract, but that also will increase the return It will all come down to what prospects are coming to the Sox, who need the young talent far more than they need salary relief Well that kinda goes without saying at this point. Considering how much we've all talked in circles here the past few months.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 04:13 PM) If the Sox eat the entire contract I would expect a pretty massive prospect return No way we pay $24 million for him to pitch for the Blue Jays without getting a haul More than likely, I could see the Sox being willing to pick up some of the contract in exchange for a nice prospect return Yeah realistically, would you say $10 mill? 5 this year, 5 next.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/why-the-ro...-185827010.html So far we have now heard the Nationals, Yankees and Blue Jays have shown interest in Robertson Sox do not really need salary relief and are much more interested in acquiring impactful talent in exchange for him Eat the whole thing if you have to

Here's their top ten: 1. RHP Sean Reid-Foley 2. OF Anthony Alford 3. 3B Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. 4. RHP Conner Greene 5. RHP Jonathan Harris 6. SS Richard Urena 7. RHP T.J. Zeuch 8. 1B Rowdy Tellez 9. C Max Pentecost 10. SS Bo Bichette

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) I'm not all that knowledgable regarding the Blue Jays system. Who should we be hoping the Sox get if this deal does happen? Sounds like if a deal happens, it'll be a good haul for us based on the Sox not wanting to deal him after a down year. I'm not too familiar with their system either.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) It is dated today. Yes the article came out today but it could have just been reported late I guess you could say since there was talk about it this weekend, though I think it was internal only.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 03:47 PM) Chicago is looking to fetch a hefty ransom of prospects in exchange for the 31-year old. While the White Sox aren’t opposed to trade Robertson now, they’re not quite trigger happy over striking a deal. Robertson’s value will only grow by the time the July non-waiver trade deadline rolls around, giving Chicago the biggest change to double their return. It definitely seems like they don't want to trade him at a reduced price so those hoping otherwise can stop dreaming.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 03:47 PM) http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/1/30/1444...rtson-white-sox Just saw this article got posted, I wonder if it's old news or if it means talks have advanced? I think it is new. Wasn't the report this weekend that the Blue Jays discussed Robertson (which I assume means internally)?

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:59 PM) Anyone want to hack our databases for 2 draft picks and $2 million? I'd take that trade.... Lol along with sending us a bad contract with a prospect.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) #Rays released Coats because he tore UCL (the day he was claimed) and needs Tommy John surgery. #WhiteSox and this is why

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) Possibly, but doubtful Pick outside of the top 50 are pretty much a crapshoot, and your chances of landing impact talent are far lower than in the first round, specifically top half The additional bonus pool money might be interesting though I wasn't really referring to the picks coming our way but more as a reason the Astros may be willing to deal the guys already there since they can make up some of the prospect depth in June.

Stolen from the minor league catch-all thread: Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo now MLB awards Cardinals' two top picks (no. 56 and no. 75) in 2017 draft to Astros. Cardinals will pay $2M fine to Houston. With the additional picks, maybe the Astros would be more willing to match our request in a deal?

QUOTE (striker @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 01:00 PM) Q will go to the Yankees. They have a ton of prospects they can include without Torres or Frazier. That have the the greatest need for a SP between Atl, Pit, and Hou. If he goes to the Yankees, I could see it possibly happening in July, but there should be plenty of rentals out there as well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) I don't know if he would or not, but that was an example. Gotcha.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) And let's be honest. If the Pirates called today and said they would send us Meadows in a Q deal, Bourjos would be relegated to fighting for a job in spring training with Tilson to be the back up OF. You think Meadows would break camp with the team? I'd rather have him in the minors to start the year to get the extra year of control.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) Those two are attached at the hip. Anyone remember the fake snapchat that someone made around the end of July from Moncada's snapchat saying he was traded? Kind of funny how it ended up happening (just about 4 and a half months later.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 08:09 AM) The more I read about Kopech, the happier I get. Scouts seem to be really high on his potential to develop into a FV 60 grade starting power pitcher. We still need to add to the farm, but we have a nice collection of arms to work with in Giolito, Kopech, Lopez, Fulmer, Hansen, Burdi, Stephens, Adams Yep. Just need a nice collection of bats now.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 08:01 AM) I think anytime a team rebuilds it's important to have that 1 vet that sticks with the team year after year...someone to model on and off the field. A "Paul Konerko" if you will--someone who is still mashing in his prime, but exemplary in conduct and being a professional. That person evolves as the face of the franchise and helps carry the team once they get good. Anthony Rizzo played that role for the Cubs and I think Todd Frazier is that guy for us. They might move him, but with the market being kind of low for 3rd basemen, I just have a gut feeling he's THE vet they would like to keep if they could. Plus, they went 3948 years without a quality 3rd basemen...just a gut feeling--nothing more. I'm not the GM, but I see a rare character gene in Frazier...something about him that screams great leader. Anthony Rizzo is a terrible example. He's basically in the same age range as everyone else on the Cubs' core.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 07:33 AM) Wow...Robertson to Toronto would mean Josh Donaldson would get no stats. Lol

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 02:48 PM) That was my post and Hahn's comment was specifically about filling holes in free agency. Gotcha. I know it's fun to fantasize about someone like Machado coming here, but I just don't see the Sox giving out a $200+ million deal to one player when they haven't even given out a $100 million deal out to one person.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) Post 42 in this thread said SSS mentioned when the time is right the Sox will spend big .What the Sox idea of spending big means is any ones guess. I don't take that as "we will go out and sign the best free agent fit (Machado to play 3B for example). More long the lines I've spreading out a hood portion of money around the team's young kids. The ones who have succeeded anyway.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) If there is a leader the Sox should consider extending it's Melky Cabrera, who to my knowledge has never had to change lockers because he had problems w a teammate. Don't worry, that guy is gone.