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QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 05:02 PM) It will be interesting to see if dombrowski folds. If they aren't giving up anyone off the major league roster I wouldn't even pick up the phone until Moncada/Benintendi/Devers are agreed on, then let the Sox pick 2-3 others to throw in. They are just overvaluing their prospects due to recent major league success of a number of them. Trading those guys doesn't even hurt them that much with all the young talent they already have in the majors.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 11:30 PM) That's realistic for both sides., although WSox may have to throw in another player. Betts is on a trajectory to being a truly elite hitter. They aren't trading him. If that's the deal then keep our pitchers. I only want either pitcher moved if it's a clear overpay like the Shelby Miller deal. Otherwise no reason to give them away. Q is nearly as valuable as Sale and I would demand Mazara/Profar/Gallo or Benintendi/Devers/Moncada as a starting point for either pitcher (and I don't even like Gallo that much, I like Odor way more). Otherwise we can wait for a lesser team desperate enough to give up their whole farm system.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) What do people think of Swihart? Now that he's moved off catcher, is he anything more than a run of the mill prospect? Looks like he hits for a decent average, and takes a walk, but has a pretty low slugging pct. and isn't a speed demon. He's ok but won't have much value at a corner outfield position when he's not great offensively or defensively. At this point he's probably only a slightly better version of Avi Garcia. Although he might be a decent guy to buy low on as a throw in compared to a low A prospect.

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 04:48 AM) There isn't a GM on the planet who wouldn't trade Moncada for Quintana straight up. Moncada is way too high on that list he's never played a game above AA. Even his stats there aren't overly impressive but they are good enough. Too bad we weren't looking to trade a front line starter back in 2013 we probably could've gotten something like Betts, Bogaerts + another player. Damn what a shame.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:51 PM) We all recall when Sale had some angry words for Kenny Williams during the LaRoach incident and blamed KW and KW alone for LaRoach/LaRoach Jr. leaving. I hope this is not the case but the possibility that there may be a racial element to Sale's dislike for Kenny Williams has crossed my mind. It also could just be some residual hurt feelings and bitterness over the LaRoach affair. Either way this kind of behavior/insubordination seems to indicate Sale intentionally did something stupid because he wants out. You watch too much mainstream media. And quite frankly that is ridiculous to suggest without evidence.

It seems like this front office clashes with everybody. Ozzie now Sale. Maybe it's time to start thinking it's the front office that's the problem. Sale obviously shouldn't have handled it this way but maybe it's the only way they feel they can get the front office to listen?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 12:05 AM) This is why they're balking at giving up Mazara and not Gallo. Pretty telling IMO I don't even want Gallo in a deal for Q. Odor, Mazara, or Profar are the only guys I would take off their major league roster.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:51 PM) I honestly don't know how long it'll be. Losing Sale would suck. Love the guy but this stuck in the mud thing isn't working either. The difference is we have valuable assets to trade from the major league roster to quickly accumulate top prospects while many other rebuilding teams can only rely on drafting because their rosters are so talent depleted. The Sale and Q trades alone speed up the rebuild at least 2 years.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:13 PM) Don't discount Pirates in trade talks w/ #WhiteSox. Need starters, have scout here and some good young talent (Glasnow, Meadows, Bell) https://twitter.com/scotgregor/status/757062258107228161 I would love to see Sale go to the Pirates if they give us a haul and beat up on the Cubs countless times every year.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:32 PM) Don't let the door hit you in the vagina on your way out. If you decide to go that route When the rebuild goes quicker than most expect because of the hauls we get from Sale and Q he'll be right back on the bandwagon like he never left when the Cubs don't win s*** over the next 3 years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:42 PM) Albers thru 2IP hasn't given up an ER and thrown only 25 pitches. You can't ask for much more from him so far. Playoffs

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) Whitesox Dave and Rabbit tweeted that a sale was scratched due to the flu. Not sure I buy that. Me neither. They must have the main players agreed on in principle and are deciding which guys they want thrown in.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:46 PM) Makes a lot of sense. Probably felt they were showing no loyalty If true Sale just f***ed up their leverage in trade negotiations for him.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) If we are getting Joey frickin Gallo as a main piece I think I'll eat a plate of terds. I watcch him play alot and he sucks big ones. I agree I'd much rather get Odor/Mazara/Profar to start.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:35 PM) Chris Sale, the guy who has to be physically removed from the mound by park security when the manager pulls him... is not pitching tonight because "flu" I'm calling bulls*** on this one. Trade coming. Some Ranger fans are getting worried they are giving up Gallo, Profar, Mazara, and at least 2 more prospects

As trade talks pick up around Chris Sale, #WhiteSox scratch him from tonight's start. Matt Albers will go instead. https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/...969322300395520 Are we close to trading Sale? Wow we better be getting an unbelievable return to trade him that fast.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Like what? Please elaborate. I keep seeing people say that too but I have yet to see a proposal that actually covered all the holes within 2 years. The only option from my analysis is to spend an extra $50 million a season to sign a CF, C, DH and re-sign Frazier.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:17 AM) The Redsox aren't trading those 2 in July. If the Sox want one, wait until the offseason to fashion a trade. What they should do is ask for their top 5 prospects, and then bargain down from there. Top ML ready prospects is where the surplus lies this time of year...not with major league players. That's how you find players to fill multiple holes. If the Sox got Betts, that would be about it, except, perhaps for a low level prospect or 2. Don't trade him if that's the case. And I don't want to ever watch another Rick Hahn lecture about the "elite" proven veteran he has just acquired. Frazier, Samardzija and $1.5 million for Turner tell me plenty about his ability to judge veteran talent. And that is the biggest misgiving I have about any sort of trade: Hahn and Williams are the evaluators and Hahn is excecuting the trade. After seeing what was given up for Shelby Miller they are really better off just waiting over the next 2 years then to deal Sale/Q and pick off some desperate team that has to have either pitcher. I don't want to see them moved for a mediocre package it's got to be one that everyone is blown away by. There should be no sense of urgency to move those two by the end of July.

Gallo = Mike Olt imo Hope he isn't a big part of any deal for our pitchers.

I think JR likes Ventura too much to fire him. JR is hoping he will just resign or part ways after the season.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:29 PM) You can certainly keep them both and hope to rebuild with a rotation of Sale / Q / Shields / Rodon / Fulmer by 2019. Then again - it's not likely to work as every other asset you move isn't going to fill multiple holes and will create another one on the exit. I.E. - Eaton, Abreu, Fraizer, Lawrie, Robertson, Melky We've already got holes at DH, CF, and C. You trade Melky, Fraizer, and Lawrie... Then you've got holes at 6 of 9 positions. Eek. The failure in player development will be what necessitates a premature selloff of the core pieces like Sale and Q. The organization was not able to produce enough position player talent to fill 2 holes on the major league roster (CF/RF (depending on where you play Eaton) and C). A league average or better DH could be had in free agency if the organization was willing to pay up. Avi was supposed to be our 30/30 CF.

In a deal for Sale with the Red Sox we need to at least be getting Betts or JBJ, and their top 3-4 prospects and a b prospect or two

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:43 PM) 1-7 since the All Star break 6- 21 against everyone in the Central that's not Minny after 96 games 2016 46 -50 2015 46- 50 2014 45 -51 2013 39- 57 The worst team in baseball is the Atlanta Braves @ 33-64 Since playing their 33 rd game, the Braves are 25-39 …. 14 games under Since playing their 33 rd game, the Sox are 23-40… 17 games under Yep. Given the talent disparity between the Sox and Braves the Sox are easily the worst team in baseball over the last 63 games. We have way more talent and are actually trying to win (supposedly).

QUOTE (michelangelosmonkey @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:13 PM) That's the spirit. We've also added Anderson who looks like our shortstop for the next ten years. And if you like prospects...how about Adam Engel who was the AFL player of the year, and then after a slow start in Birmingham has been amazing. He's a good fielder and an on base machine with plus speed for Center field...they just have to wait for 2017. Even Collins might be ready by then...if not at catcher he would be automatically better than Avi at DH. This is not a broken machine...this is a half fixed machine...and we fixed the hardest part...great starting pitching. Baseball is a game that requires massive patience and yet because of its daily games its hard not to give up hope after a bad loss. No one is giving up hope after one bad loss. 23-39 after the first 33 games which makes this one of the worst teams in baseball over the last 62 games. Anderson looks good but I would argue Beckham will have a better first year and we all know how that turned out. Far from guaranteed to be a star but he has the potential - just zero plate discipline. Pretty doubtful that Engel would be any better than someone like Shuck. We don't have time to give Engel 2-3 years to develop. The time to develop players was 3-4 years ago. This team's window is closing fast. Ok, Collins will be automatically better than Avi if he can hit MLB pitching. The DH hole could've easily been patched by bringing in Loney or Morse earlier this season at minimal cost though. Why wasn't that move made? Instead Morneau is added and by the time he can contribute the team is out of it. Avi Garcia has 9 lives in this organization.

QUOTE (michelangelosmonkey @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) I think people are too pessimistic here. Since 2005 the World Series has been won four times with teams with dominant starting pitching (Sox and the Giants three times). The Mets gave a black eye to the Cubs because dominant starting pitching can beat dominant hitting. The White Sox had no choice to follow the path they are one because the stumbled upon Quintana, Sale became one of the best pitchers of all time, and they got lucky drafting Rodon. Now they look like they may have gotten lucky getting Fulmer as well. I'm not saying it WILL happen...but lets say in 2017 Rodon improves to Quintana level and Fulmer starts and is Rodon 2015...and James Shields or Gonzalez pitches the way they have in July. You will all agree the defense is WAY better this year than it was last year. You have Austin Jackson and the two catchers done after this year which frees up $11 million in salary (along with adam Laroches $12 million already in your pocket). You resign Frazier (I'm fine with a good fielding 3b who hits 40 home runs but only hits .220) and then sign Lucroy (still need a catcher as Collins is probably a few years away). Why is that not one of the best teams in baseball...or at least a team that can get into the playoffs and then throw four aces into every round of the playoffs? The idea of trading for prospects is exciting as potential is so tantalizing but 2015 #2 BA prospect was Byron Buxton who has a .580 OPS after his first 300 MLB at bats. We need to be patient...building a championship is a long process and I think we have come a long way in three years. This team has literally nothing in the prospect pipeline to expect any additional contributors in the next 2-3 years besides Collins. Why would Lucroy want to play here? 2 of the 3 big outfielders this past offseason didn't even seriously entertain the idea of playing for the White Sox. People were banking on Rodon being good this year and he's fallen short of expectations. Shields salary was spent with the LaRoche money. Resigning Frazier alone would cost around $20 mill. Then you have to spend at least another $5-10 mill to fill the hole in CF, $10+ mill to fill the hole at DH, and Lucroy would cost $20-25 mill. That's $40-50+ million this team doesn't have the money to spend. It sounds like you are the one being far too optimistic because the only way this team can contend is with young, cheap and good prospects coming up to fill the holes at minimal cost supplemented with one big signing like a Lucroy or Frazier. I don't know how you figure all of a sudden this team is going to start spending like the Red Sox or Yankees used to.