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Where is Moncada nearly a 3 WAR player at? Fangraphs has him at 1.5 on the season.

Later dude. Also, that is not my name.

There are some downright delusional posters here. Below is an example. That projection would be one of the greatest seasons in mlb history. Members 100 1,788 posts Report post Posted Thursday at 09:32 PM (edited) I've been arguing with people on a different sports board about Moncada. This is the way I see it: Moncada has "Best position player in the game" potential. His potential is Who is better Trout or Moncada? His floor is Trevor Story. I don't know where he's ultimately going to fall on this spectrum, but if he hits his ceiling, I could see this as his career year .310/.405/1.085 43HR 45 SB 38 2B 13 3B 130+RBI And a GG

He was listed in the honorable mention column along with Tim Anderson and Eloy. You wouldn't know by reading around here, but Moncada's stock is way down with the national guys. The guy has over 550 career at bats and has ops of 735. That is nothing to write home about. The Sox don't have a single player in the FG top 50. Fernando Tatis is listed at #39. That tells me all I need to know about the state of the Sox rebuild right there.

Schwarber putting on a show. Dude is gonna crush Harper in the finals.

I know this is the Q trade thread, but I wonder if Soto was on the table at all during the Eaton trade talks. That kid looks like something extremely special. I doubt you could even get him for Moncada plus Kopech at this point in time.

Gleybar Torres and Ozzie Albies say hello.

I'm just commenting on the absurd and delusional hyperbole going on in this thread. Yoan Moncada is nowhere near the level of Mike Trout. Trout is gonna go down as one of the best players ever. Moncada isn't even close to being the best young second basemen in the game.

Yeah I remember when Gordan Beckham had the potential to be the next Jeff Kent and Joe Borchard had the potential to be the next Dave Kingman....

Let's hope we aren't saying the same thing about Luis Robert and Eloy three years from now.

And now introducing your 2022 World Series Champions Chicago White Sox ( brought to you this evening by Bulleit bourbon ;} ) Nick Madrigal-Second Base ( Little Nicky becomes Chicago's version of Dustin Pedroia) Luis Robert- Center Field ( Shakes off injury prone label to become a poor mans Mike Trout) Nolan Arenado- Third Base ( Sox shock the world and sign Arenado to a 6 year contract after the 2019 season and all he does is rake rake rake...) Eloy Jimenez- Right Field ( RBI machine reminds Sox fans of an amalgamation of the Big Hurt, Jermaine Dye, and Jose Abreau) Zach Collins- First Base ( Converted catcher turns into an OBP machine with massive pop from the left side) Adley Rutschman- Catcher ( #3 pick in the 2019 draft wins ROY of the year in 2022 and resembles a young Buster Posey) Tim Anderson - Short Stop ( continues to be a perennial 20 20 guy and defensive games grows by leaps and bounds under manager Omar Vizquel) Micker Adolfo - Left Field ( Cannon arm unaffected by Tommy John surgery in 2018 and provides massive pop at the bottom of the order) MIguel Cabrera-DH ( Kenny Williams always gets his guy! RH part of a DH platoon with Gavin Sheets) Starting Rotation Patrick Corbin ( Given a 100 million plus deal after 2018 season and turns into the next coming of Chris Sale) MIchael Kopech ( Fireballer right recovers nicely from Tommy John surgery in 2019 and becomes a rock solid #2) Carlos Rodon ( chronically injured pitcher signs extension after 2020 and turns in career years in 2021 and 2022) Casey Mize ( acquired prior to the 2022 season from Detroit for Yoan Moncada in a bust for bust trade. Thrives under new Sox pitching coach Mark Buehrle) Reynaldo Lopez ( continues to eat innings and remind Sox fans of former pitcher Jose Contreras) Bench Laz Rivera ( Replaces Yolmer Sanchez as the Sox super utility man) Gavin Sheets ( LH part of the DH platoon and back up first baseman) Tyler Flowers ( Rick Hahn gets redemption and Flowers gets a ring before retirement) Steele Walker ( reserve outfielder with porn star name helps Sox forget the flame out of Blake Rutherford) Bullpen Closer- Dylan Cease ( flamethrower who couldn't stick as a starter turns into an all star closer) SetUp- Zach Burdi ( Failed closer turns into effective set up man) Set Up Lefty- Konnor Pilkington ( Reminds sox fans everywhere of Matt Thorton) High Leverage Righty- Alec Hansen ( Failed starter shakes off injuries to become dominant reliever) LOOGY-Bernando Flores ( every bullpen needs a good LOOGY) Long Relief- Jordan Stephens ( failed starter finds role in long relief) Jack of All trades- Lincoln Henzman ( Sox's Louiseville connection makes good with occasional spot starter Woah!!! Get it done Hahn! I know you are on here lurking and burning like Bryan Colangelo!

I clearly understand what the Sox are trying to do. It is delusional to think that all is going to go according to plan, however. In fact, we are now 1.5 years into the rebuild and things are already going off track a bit. Luis Robert is doing his best Charlie Tilson impersonation and Moncada is striking out 35% of the time. The Sox are going to need to pony up for a couple big ticket FAs in order for this rebuild to succeed. Let's hope they can get it done.

I never said "risking" anywhere in my post. I was in favor of a teardown but I wanted some fresh blood in charge of the rebuild. Some people around here seem to think that it is a foregone conclusion that this rebuild is gonna turn out like the Cubs and Astros did. That could happen, but the odds are heavily stacked against it. The people in charge of this rebuild are a couple tiers below the people in charge on the Northside and down in Houston.

No. They weren't making the playoffs before the rebuild. Hence why I said another decade of no playoffs. Are the people responsible for the playoff drought still around making poor decisions? The fact that Hahn couldn't even trade Moncada straight up for Tatis Junior right now tells me all I need to know about the current state of the rebuild.

Have you looked around baseball lately? The odds on Cleveland winning the Central Division are -10000 on Fourth of July weekend! They are the only team in the Central that is even attempting to compete this year. Cincy, Miami, Texas, Tampa, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and San Diego are all tanking as well. A third of the league is trying to be bad for multiple seasons in an attempt to mimic the Cubs and Astros. The Giants won 3 titles in 6 years. That is pretty consistent in my humble opinion.

Sure. I would love to be the Astros or the Cubs. That is a lot easier said than done, however. On the flipside, are you ready for another decade of no playoffs if this rebuild goes up in smoke?

One postseason appearance and zero trips to the WS. Is that all we are hoping for with this rebuild? If the goal is to just make the postseason once and hope for a 2005 type playoff then the Sox should have kept Sale, Eaton, and Q. They could have signed Lowrie, Moustakas, Matt Adams, Sabathia, and Chacin for dirt cheap.

The early 90s Sox made one postseason appearance. The Twins are a yo-yo and don't look close to being a real threat. That is not what the Sox are going for. The plan is to have sustained success year after year like we are seeing on the North Side. The Cubs tank started in 2012 and lasted 3 years. The Sox are now 1.5 years into their tank. Does anyone realistically see this team competing for a trip to the WS in 2020 without some major FA signings? Heck, we might be lucky if LuiS Robert has 100 games played in milb by then.

Sure the Astros were built mainly from the farm, but it is delusional to think that the Sox can replicate that. You are assuming then that the Sox FO, scouting, and development people are as good as Houston's. The last 7 years or so provide evidence that that is simply not the case. Let me know when the Sox develop four positional players as good as Altuve, Correa, Springer, and Bregman. Look at the Dodgers payroll. They have definitely spent $ on pitching and had to pony up to keep Jansen and Turner in town. They also didn't trade away their stud lefty at any point. I'm trying to figure out when the Sox think there competitive window should start. 2020? 2021? 2022? No one seems to know and that is scary to me.

The Sox need to start making some FA moves to supplement their young core either this off-season or next. If they don't go big on a couple guys then I'm not really sure what the whole point of trading Sale, Q, and Eaton was. Anyone who thinks that this team can be built solely from the farm alone is downright delusional. The odds of signing Machado are slim but the Sox need to be major suitors this off-season. I would also like to see them make a move for Patrick Corbin from the D-Backs. He is probably going to get a $100 million plus. Pretty steep price I know but that is the cost of doing business these days.

Bergman, Altuve, Springer, Correa, Pretty damn ridiculous core to build around.

I hope Moncada is taking notes from Mr. Altuve.

Setting the third base bar real high there..

Rick Hahn is really in a can't lose situation right now. If the team plays above expectations than he can say that things are moving in the right direction and quicker than expected. If the team is terrible like our current one then he can just say that rebuilding is a fluid process and there is expected peak and valleys. Being God awful also brings a better draft pick and that can be sold to fans later down the line.

This team has to spend on some impact free agents if it plans to compete in 2019 or 2020. Developing an internal core like the Astros did is a pipe dream. The talent here is nowhere near the level of Altuve, Correa, Bregman, and Springer. Who is your starting catcher, first baseman, third baseman, center fielder, left fielder, #1 starter, and closer in 2020 if you don't sign anyone?