Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) Yeah, I follow you...but that isn't how negotiations work...we look at the market value of an asset, not the investment one counterparty may have made in that asset already. If you are going to dock me that $63 million for Moncada, that decreases his value to me incredibly...because you're essentially paying a prospect $63 million. The entire point of trading Chris is to acquire prospects who make extremely little for the first 6 years of service time. This guy essentially is making $10.5 million for the first 6 years of his service time. Maybe we can just trade them straight-up for Abreu? Moncada is already paid, as is the league. So you get what cost $63 million for minimum, plus his first few years making nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Basically in the last 12 hours it went from "it won't happen, 1% chance" to "eh" to "maybe" to "oh wow this could be happening", at least from insiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 If I'm the White Sox, wait until right before the deadline to possibly trade Sale or Quintana. Teams will be desperate. Sox hold the cards. https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/760136080150695936 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago Asked a source how strongly I should pursue possibility of #RedSox acquiring #WhiteSox’s Sale. His response: “Don’t waste your time.” 109 retweets 78 likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Has to be Moncada + Benintendi, period. If Boston balks at that, no trade. The rest is negotiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago Asked a source how strongly I should pursue possibility of #RedSox acquiring #WhiteSox’s Sale. His response: “Don’t waste your time.” 109 retweets 78 likes 10 minutes ago he tweets Red Sox strongly pursuing sale and then he tweets this. He is just looking for hits and retweets. what an insider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:31 AM) Moncada is already paid, as is the league. So you get what cost $63 million for minimum, plus his first few years making nothing. Yeah, again, I get it. And again, if you are going to dock me for that $63 million, it takes his value way the hell down...meaning, if you are going to include it in the equation for receiving Sale back, it's not like I am getting a prospect, it's like I am getting a $63 million guy that has never played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) Yeah, again, I get it. And again, if you are going to dock me for that $63 million, it takes his value way the hell down...meaning, if you are going to include it in the equation for receiving Sale back, it's not like I am getting a prospect, it's like I am getting a $63 million guy that has never played. And it's why Boston isn't going to move him along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) Basically in the last 12 hours it went from "it won't happen, 1% chance" to "eh" to "maybe" to "oh wow this could be happening", at least from insiders. A lot of people had this pegged. Everything escalates right before the deadline. Makes me feel silly for following so closely 10 days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) Yeah, again, I get it. And again, if you are going to dock me for that $63 million, it takes his value way the hell down...meaning, if you are going to include it in the equation for receiving Sale back, it's not like I am getting a prospect, it's like I am getting a $63 million guy that has never played. Then you hang up and listen to what the Dodgers, Texas, and the Yankees have to say... or you wait until the off season when you have even more options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 red sox seem to be most heavily involved for chris sale at moment. big question: would they do both moncada & benintendi? https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/760137549423706112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Please be so. I want a package of prospects today that I can be happy about and give me a reason to watch the rest of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 So glad I am sick today... No way in hell I would get anything done.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Meh, still don't think it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:43 AM) Meh, still don't think it happens. Probably not but I'm hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Dombrowski always caves, so I do think Benintendi/Moncada is a possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) I think Boston is trying their best to minimize the return, they will budge IMO. To clarify, they know Sale = Moncada/Benintendi minimum. They are trying to give up only 2 more middle of the pack prospects instead of kopech,devers or someone they truly like. Edited August 1, 2016 by TheTruth05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) Meh, still don't think it happens. The posturing by the two sides seems to far apart. Boston seems to be you are lucky to get Ben. Chicago seems to be I want it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Meanwhile, I hope we're working on trades for Shields/Gonzalez/Robertson/Frazier/Melky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) Dombrowski always caves, so I do think Benintendi/Moncada is a possibility I am really banking on this. So if we trade Sale and dont get Moncada this is going to be a really dark day for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:45 AM) Meanwhile, I hope we're working on trades for Shields/Gonzalez/Robertson/Frazier/Melky No s***!! I'm not gonna complain if Sale/Q are traded or not, but if nothing else is done, I will be irritated to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I think DD will cave. Hahn's negotiation started with the major league ball club (Boegarts, Betts and most realistically JBJ) and some prospects or the 5 top prospects. His "settle" point is your 4 top prospects: moancada, benintendi, devers and kopech. Take it or leave it. I do think they have traction on Q for the last three names and discussion is that if you want an "upgrade" to Sale, you include Moancada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 One thing to consider is Dombrowski wasn't there when Moncada was signed. He wasn't part of the group that invested $63 million into him. He may be just using that excuse as leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Hahn is probably telling Dombrowksi show me the prospects Edited August 1, 2016 by WhiteSoxLifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) Dombrowski always caves, so I do think Benintendi/Moncada is a possibility I would be beyond thrilled if the Sox could get both Benintendi and Moncada for Sale. Seems like an absolute pipedream, however. I think this is the sticking point and reason why no deal will get done. Our Sox want both, but Boston ain't gonna do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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