Zack Burdi not coming to Chicago this season

[ptatc]

Let's hope he is a better reliever than Poreda, Ring and Reed.

 

At least Addison had "plus" value where he was selected.

 

Some WAR magician will make him out to be a bargain if he's halfway decent, surely.

 

 

Let's also hope he is more effective than Carson has been out of the pen or Hahn will look even more foolish since there's no compelling reason to push him at this point...that might have been the case were/with Robertson dealt at the deadline.

It isn't necessarily the performance this year. Now that they are out of it, they can use the time to break in these players to the MLB. That way if they are in the race and need help you don't have a star struck kid that wets his pants for a few games and costs the team wins when they count.

 

When you developing young players, it isn't always about the immediate performance. It's more about the long term progression of the player.

[caulfield12]

It isn't necessarily the performance this year. Now that they are out of it, they can use the time to break in these players to the MLB. That way if they are in the race and need help you don't have a star struck kid that wets his pants for a few games and costs the team wins when they count.

 

When you developing young players, it isn't always about the immediate performance. It's more about the long term progression of the player.

 

Sure...if they're actually ready to be promoted.

 

Anderson is still hanging in there, but Fulmer has looked completely lost.

[ptatc]

Sure...if they're actually ready to be promoted.

 

Anderson is still hanging in there, but Fulmer has looked completely lost.

That's not always a bad thing. Sometimes, especially with really cocky players, they need that.

 

There are guys like Rodon who really have nothing else to prove in the minors as they pitched well there and they need to learn to get MLB hitters out. Rodon has command issues but with stuff. The minor hitters swung at that but the MLB hitters don't he needs to learn at the MLB. Fulmer was going to be in the pen due to the innings limit so why not try him against the MLB to see how he performs but also how he handles the situations. I'm not saying it's definitely the right move but I can see the reasoning behind it.

[caulfield12]

That's not always a bad thing. Sometimes, especially with really cocky players, they need that.

 

There are guys like Rodon who really have nothing else to prove in the minors as they pitched well there and they need to learn to get MLB hitters out. Rodon has command issues but with stuff. The minor hitters swung at that but the MLB hitters don't he needs to learn at the MLB. Fulmer was going to be in the pen due to the innings limit so why not try him against the MLB to see how he performs but also how he handles the situations. I'm not saying it's definitely the right move but I can see the reasoning behind it.

 

The concern is what might be wrong physically with Fulmer...he should be throwing mid to high 90s out of the pen, in single inning bursts. Not just 90-93.

 

And with Rodon, they should have given him more time to master the change. He could dominate in the minors with either the fastball, slider or really just one pitch. The problem in the majors has been the lack of confidence to throw it enough for it to be an effective pitch...where big league hitters have it in the back of their mind like with Sale, Q or Buehrle.

 

That's something that's much more difficult to experiment with at the nig league level. He reverts to his usual habits when struggling, which is normal but might not to be helpful until he learns to vary his repertoire more.

 

The biggest concern with Rodon might be his unwillingness to use his A fastball on a consistent basis...out of some misguided desire to emulate Sale, who has much better command and can get away with lower velocities due to location. Rodon gets tattoed when behind in the count and forced to come in at 91-94 mph. If he's not throwing a change, he needs to be at 95-97, touching 98 to be truly effective as a starter.

[RockRaines]

The Sox are trading Robertson in the offseason so there is a good chance this is to start his MLB education.

[Dick Allen]

Burdi may be up next season. I agree they probably trade Robertson. Nate Jones will be back. Jennings. They will need another lefty. Turner has actually looked pretty good in the bullpen. I'm intrigued by him. I hope they lean on him a lot the balance of the season. Hopefully Putnam and Petricka will be back. There is potential to be a decent bullpen, even really good, but they have been gas on a fire since May.

[bmags]

I hope Turner can play the long man if needed next year. I don't care if they are rarely used, the ramifications of our high bullpen days which hav ebeen numerous due to shields and rodon crap starts to many extra inning games. We needed a long reliever more than 5 outfielders.

[hi8is]

The Sox are trading Robertson in the offseason

Boldly stated.

[caulfield12]

If they can just get anyone to take his contract for Leury Garcia's equivalent value, it will be amazing...

[southsider2k5]

It is official now

 

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 7m7 minutes ago Zack Burdi, who was selected 26th overall in the 2016 draft, has been promoted to Triple-A Charlotte. #WhiteSox

 

 

[caulfield12]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0810-story.html

 

If he truly does possess three plus pitches, why wouldn't they at least attempt to turn him into a starter? Instead, they will rush him to the big leagues to replace Robertson for yet another supposed "all in" year? Logical.

 

 

Edited August 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[GreenSox]

If he truly does possess three plus pitches, why wouldn't they at least attempt to turn him into a starter? Instead, they will rush him to the big leagues to replace Robertson for yet another supposed "all in" year? Logical.

Great question.

And I suspect the answer is because the Sox have a desperate GM who truly is ending year 2 of his 3 year window and doesn't have the 2 years it will take to turn him into a ML starter.

[Whisox05]

Clean inning tonight with a strikeout

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0810-story.html

 

If he truly does possess three plus pitches, why wouldn't they at least attempt to turn him into a starter? Instead, they will rush him to the big leagues to replace Robertson for yet another supposed "all in" year? Logical.

 

You don't know if that is the plan. Right now they just might want to see if he can maintain what he has been doing at a higher level. The more you find out about him the better prepared you are to make future decisions.

[hi8is]

First game with Charlotte: 1IP 0H 0BB 1K

[caulfield12]

You don't know if that is the plan. Right now they just might want to see if he can maintain what he has been doing at a higher level. The more you find out about him the better prepared you are to make future decisions.

 

The reason Sale, Rodon and Anderson were each pushed so quickly was "win now" situations.

 

What's the compelling excuse to push Burdi up so quickly right now?

Or for Fulmer to continue struggling in a role he's ill-suited for?

[tray]

The reason Sale, Rodon and Anderson were each pushed so quickly was "win now" situations.

What's the compelling excuse to push Burdi up so quickly right now?

Or for Fulmer to continue struggling in a role he's ill-suited for?

 

Major league level playing time and experience that a player could never get in the minors, an opportunity for management to assess how a player performs at this level, how he reacts to pressure, how he fits into a team's chemistry, how a player reacts and responds to failure. Last but not least for the White Sox is the appeal for fans at this point in the season. Fans would rather see young players out there trying to earn a job rather than guys like Robertson who are about to lose theirs.

 

[caulfield12]

Major league level playing time and experience that a player could never get in the minors, an opportunity for management to assess how a player performs at this level, how he reacts to pressure, how he fits into a team's chemistry, how a player reacts and responds to failure. Last but not least for the White Sox is the appeal for fans at this point in the season. Fans would rather see young players out there trying to earn a job rather than guys like Robertson who are about to lose theirs.

 

Sure, but they played Alexei over Saladino and now Navarro nearly everyday over Narvaez when he will be departing as well...

 

They tried it with Tilson, although that only lasted half a game.

 

If that was their concern (your latter point), they sure haven't done an effective job "marketing" Fulmer to the fans, either. He's either pitching with a dead arm or his mechanics/psyche are off. Just like with Rodon earlier this year, some of that swagger is gone that helped make both of them so effective in college.

 

I guess it's one thing if they really believed in him (Burdi or Fulmer), another if the reason is to give the fans someone to be excited about in what will be a difficult stretch for tv viewer and team alike.

 

More than anything, they need young position players to excite the fanbase, and there are already so many relievers throwing 95-100 that it isn't nearly as exciting as it was a decade ago. Or to at least "honor" Ventura somehow and communicate to the fans this will be his final season, that a change in leadership is needed both on the field and in the front office.

[tray]

Sure, but they played Alexei over Saladino and now Navarro nearly everyday over Narvaez when he will be departing as well...

 

They tried it with Tilson, although that only lasted half a game.

 

If that was their concern (your latter point), they sure haven't done an effective job "marketing" Fulmer to the fans, either. He's either pitching with a dead arm or his mechanics/psyche are off. Just like with Rodon earlier this year, some of that swagger is gone that helped make both of them so effective in college.

 

I guess it's one thing if they really believed in him (Burdi or Fulmer), another if the reason is to give the fans someone to be excited about in what will be a difficult stretch for tv viewer and team alike.

 

More than anything, they need young position players to excite the fanbase, and there are already so many relievers throwing 95-100 that it isn't nearly as exciting as it was a decade ago. Or to at least "honor" Ventura somehow and communicate to the fans this will be his final season, that a change in leadership is needed both on the field and in the front office.

 

Your mixing everything up in your head. The need for position players has nothing to do with bringing up Burdi or Fulmer. And Tilson was brought up because the Sox had another injury (Avi Garcia). The Sox wanted to see what they had in Tilson. Sox fans, especially those who went to New Trier or know him and his family, were excited to see him.

Fulmer has looked awkward but from the Sox perspective, it is valuable to see that. Instead of penciling him into the rotation for 2017 or 2018, they know what he has to work on to be on the roster next year.....everything. The more I see Fumer, the less confident I am that he will ever become a starting pitcher in the majors. Teerrible Draft oick by the White Sox and those are the sorts of bad decisions that have prevented the Sox from becoming better than a .500 team.

 

 

[caulfield12]

Your mixing everything up in your head. The need for position players has nothing to do with bringing up Burdi or Fulmer. And Tilson was brought up because the Sox had another injury (Avi Garcia). The Sox wanted to see what they had in Tilson. Sox fans, especially those who went to New Trier or know him and his family, were excited to see him.

Fulmer has looked awkward but from the Sox perspective, it is valuable to see that. Instead of penciling him into the rotation for 2017 or 2018, they know what he has to work on to be on the roster next year.....everything. The more I see Fumer, the less confident I am that he will ever become a starting pitcher in the majors. Teerrible Draft oick by the White Sox and those are the sorts of bad decisions that have prevented the Sox from becoming better than a .500 team.

 

It has everything to do with the lack of excitement regarding this franchise. Imagine Benitendi coming up instead of Fulmer being added to the bullpen. This place would be alot more alive.

 

And you're forgetting the damage this has done to Fulmer's trade value...not sure how that's much of a positive with how much he has been exposed.

 

Plus, Hahn desperately wanted a position player he traded for to make him look good.

And you still haven'r explained the lack of playing time for Saladino last year in favor of Alexei, or Navarro this year.

 

[hi8is]

the damage this has done to Fulmer's trade value...not sure how that's much of a positive with how much he has been exposed.

The jury is FAR from out on Fulmer.

[southsider2k5]

Your mixing everything up in your head. The need for position players has nothing to do with bringing up Burdi or Fulmer. And Tilson was brought up because the Sox had another injury (Avi Garcia). The Sox wanted to see what they had in Tilson. Sox fans, especially those who went to New Trier or know him and his family, were excited to see him.

Fulmer has looked awkward but from the Sox perspective, it is valuable to see that. Instead of penciling him into the rotation for 2017 or 2018, they know what he has to work on to be on the roster next year.....everything. The more I see Fumer, the less confident I am that he will ever become a starting pitcher in the majors. Teerrible Draft oick by the White Sox and those are the sorts of bad decisions that have prevented the Sox from becoming better than a .500 team.

 

Tilson wasn't to replace Avi, he was to replace Shuck. They had even sent Shuck down for him.

[Balta1701]

Major league level playing time and experience that a player could never get in the minors, an opportunity for management to assess how a player performs at this level, how he reacts to pressure, how he fits into a team's chemistry, how a player reacts and responds to failure. Last but not least for the White Sox is the appeal for fans at this point in the season. Fans would rather see young players out there trying to earn a job rather than guys like Robertson who are about to lose theirs.

None of that is worth the price of a season of team control when he's in his prime.

[caulfield12]

None of that is worth the price of a season of team control when he's in his prime.

 

But we can leverage our relievers when they get close to arbitration for the likes of Nestor Molina and Matt Davidson...Nate Jones would have been a good opportunity had he reeled off saves in August and September after getting rid of Robertson. Alas, not to be.

 

At the very least, they would have seen how Nate would respond to being the closer. Sox, when they start the year with unprovens in guys like Santiago and Thornton who are forced into the role out of necessity, it usually doesn't end well for them.

Edited August 13, 2016 by caulfield12

[Balta1701]

But we can leverage our relievers when they get close to arbitration for the likes of Nestor Molina and Matt Davidson...Nate Jones would have been a good opportunity had he reeled off saves in August and September after getting rid of Robertson. Alas, not to be.

 

At the very least, they would have seen how Nate would respond to being the closer. Sox, when they start the year with unprovens in guys like Santiago and Thornton who are forced into the role out of necessity, it usually doesn't end well for them.

You dropped too few names here. The Sox have had a number of unprovens succeed in the closer role. Jenks was called up from AA and closed a world series 3 months later. Reed was called up and 2/3 of the games he pitched in during his rookie year were games he finished. Santos, of course, came almost out of no where to be a closer. Santiago closing was Robin making terrible choices, Thornton closing made sense but he turned out to just not have the mental makeup for it. The ChiSox have created their own out of an unproven guy several times.

 

I would have no issue looking at Burdi as a closer long-term, but if that's the case then calling him up this year or even before April 25 next year is just financially stupid. It would be as responsible as taking $15 million and lighting it on fire.