The Cy Young Award is for the regular season.

 

I'm in the group that says post-season should count. Its definitely a variable people consider when voting.

I'm in the group that says post-season should count. Its definitely a variable people consider when voting.

I believe that's unfair for pitchers on non-playoff teams. A starter could theoretically go 34-0 but if the rest of the team sucks, he misses the playoffs. That's not his fault. Sale is the closest example to that scenario over the past 5 years. Him pitching even better would not have made us a playoff team.

I believe that's unfair for pitchers on non-playoff teams. A starter could theoretically go 34-0 but if the rest of the team sucks, he misses the playoffs. That's not his fault. Sale is the closest example to that scenario over the past 5 years. Him pitching even better would not have made us a playoff team.

 

So you don't think those who are torn on say Porcello and Kluber (2 I feel are likely to win) won't look at how each performed in the post season to make a decision? Of course they would.

 

Edited September 28, 20169 yr by soxfan2014

So you don't think those who are torn on say Porcello and Kluber (2 I feel are likely to win) won't look at how each performed in the post season to make a decision? Of course they would.

Sure they will, I'm just saying that's not fair to guys like Sale. He had nothing to do with us missing the playoffs, at least performance-wise.

I'm in the group that says post-season should count. Its definitely a variable people consider when voting.

The reason post season play does not count is because it should not count. Never has. There are post season awards.

So you don't think those who are torn on say Porcello and Kluber (2 I feel are likely to win) won't look at how each performed in the post season to make a decision? Of course they would.

Isn't the voting done before the postseason begins?

Isn't the voting done before the postseason begins?

 

Yes.

So you don't think those who are torn on say Porcello and Kluber (2 I feel are likely to win) won't look at how each performed in the post season to make a decision? Of course they would.

 

 

Voting is done between the regular season and the postseason....

 

Voting is done between the regular season and the postseason....

Which is one day unless there is a tie for a spot, then there could be no days between.

Edited September 29, 20169 yr by Leonard Zelig

Which is one day unless there is a tie for a spot, then there could be no days between.

 

I didn't say it was done the "day" between, just between.

I didn't say it was done the "day" between, just between.

 

And "between" is only one day.

 

@keithlaw

Zach Britton faced Pillar, Barney, Navarro. This is another reason making a one-inning closer Cy Young is just silly. Turn a lineup over.

 

Got to agree with Keith here, pitching only one inning at a time means closers often miss facing good hitters. Plus, a lot of the elite starting pitchers could at least come close to what Britton is doing but the reverse isn't true.

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Is Sale going to make his last start? That could change his place in the standings.

Is Sale going to make his last start? That could change his place in the standings.

 

Even if he does I bet most guys have their votes already in by then.

@keithlaw

Zach Britton faced Pillar, Barney, Navarro. This is another reason making a one-inning closer Cy Young is just silly. Turn a lineup over.

 

Got to agree with Keith here, pitching only one inning at a time means closers often miss facing good hitters. Plus, a lot of the elite starting pitchers could at least come close to what Britton is doing but the reverse isn't true.

 

How many scoreless inning has Sale had this year? A bit reductive, I know, but this Britton for cy young thing is so ridiculous. It happens every year there is no clear cut winner ->give it to the novelty.

Even if he does I bet most guys have their votes already in by then.

You're probably right, but if he goes out and throws a shutout, or conversely, gets rocked, his ranking will probably change.

 

I really think Porcello will win, even though Sale and even Verlander and Kluber are just as deserving.

If they changed the rules that it has to be a pitcher with at least 180 innings, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Then they could make a bigger deal for Reliever of the Year. That would be a good thing to do.

 

But I think in a year where no starter has an ERA under 3, and Britton is perfect in save opportunities for a contending team, with a 0.55 ERA, and an 809 ERA+, I would vote for him. He deserves it under the current rules, and even a lot of advanced stat people agree.

 

It seems like some are trying to make a case for Sale because he's "our guy". Even if it were just for starting pitchers, I doubt Sale would crack the top 3 right now, but I'd like to look at it more closely Sunday night when it's all over.

If they changed the rules that it has to be a pitcher with at least 180 innings, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Then they could make a bigger deal for Reliever of the Year. That would be a good thing to do.

 

But I think in a year where no starter has an ERA under 3, and Britton is perfect in save opportunities for a contending team, with a 0.55 ERA, and an 809 ERA+, I would vote for him. He deserves it under the current rules, and even a lot of advanced stat people agree.

 

It seems like some are trying to make a case for Sale because he's "our guy". Even if it were just for starting pitchers, I doubt Sale would crack the top 3 right now, but I'd like to look at it more closely Sunday night when it's all over.

Besides Porcello, Verlander, and Kluber, which AL starters have an argument that they've had a better year than Sale? I don't think he finishes worse than 5th.

Besides Porcello, Verlander, and Kluber, which AL starters have an argument that they've had a better year than Sale? I don't think he finishes worse than 5th.

 

I agree. 5th.

 

Britton, some order of the three you mentioned, then Sale.

 

That's what I think right now, but could change.

I don't think relievers should ever win the Cy Young anymore. It was one thing when they would pitch 100 innings a year but in this day and age where they throw 60-70 innings they are just not deserving. Give Britton the Mariano Rivera award and be done with it. To say that Britton has been a better pitcher this year than Sale, Kluber, Porcello, etc when he pitches one inning every couple days is an insult to what those guys accomplished in over 3 times as many innings.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/ken-ros...b-awards-093016

 

I don't care who wins as long as it's a starter. This Britton talk is proving this award is chosen by outdated minds.

Both Heyman and Rosenthal support Britton for Cy Young, but if they can justify Britton despite his lack of innings how do they both not vote for Kershaw in the NL?

Both Heyman and Rosenthal support Britton for Cy Young, but if they can justify Britton despite his lack of innings how do they both not vote for Kershaw in the NL?

 

Especially since Kershaw actually leads the NL in fWAR despite only throwing 140 innings.

Especially since Kershaw actually leads the NL in fWAR despite only throwing 140 innings.

 

 

Sale leads the AL in fWAR

Sale leads the AL in fWAR

 

And bWAR?

 

Jose Fernandez is ahead in one of those, but something like 6th-8th for the other.

 

Regardless, Sale isn't going to finish Top 3 and Q will be lucky to sneak into the Top 10.