The Astros have discussed a Jose Quintana deal with the White Sox but as of now find the price too steep. -- Jake Kaplan

 

https://t.co/p43H4IqisC

Yeah, he had 45 games though and it was awful. No bright stretches at all.

 

So send him back to AA for a month to let him sort some things out and let him spend the rest of the year in AAA. We're in no hurry. He has MASHED at every level of the minors and everyone is ready to punt on him after a bad month in his first trip to the Bigs.

 

Reed is the EXACT type of buy low candidate that can really round out that deal.

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by oneofthemikes

So send him back to AA for a month to let him sort some things out and let him spend the rest of the year in AAA. We're in no hurry. He has MASHED at every level of the minors and everyone is ready to punt on him after a bad month in his first trip to the Bigs.

 

I'm not saying he's awful. But I worry as much about Reed being the centerpiece for Q as I worried about Giolito being centerpiece for Sale.

The Astros have discussed a Jose Quintana deal with the White Sox but as of now find the price too steep. -- Jake Kaplan

 

https://t.co/p43H4IqisC

 

That's posturing for sure

The Astros have discussed a Jose Quintana deal with the White Sox but as of now find the price too steep. -- Jake Kaplan

 

https://t.co/p43H4IqisC

 

Figured.

So send him back to AA for a month to let him sort some things out and let him spend the rest of the year in AAA. We're in no hurry. He has MASHED at every level of the minors and everyone is ready to punt on him after a bad month in his first trip to the Bigs.

 

Reed is the EXACT type of buy low candidate that can really round out that deal.

 

Reed batted .064 against lefties in 48 games. That is unbelievably bad and worth considering. Time to declare him a failed prospect? Of course not, but his value is down

You must hate Giolito and Moncada then.

 

People judging prospects based on cups of coffee need to slow down a little. In 2011 there was a top prospect who debuted to slash .220/.281/.390 in 40 games with a 7% BB rate and a 22% K rate. He won his second AL MVP this year.

 

Another top prospect debuted that same year, played in 49 games, slashed .141/.281/.242 with a 30% K rate and no power. He just won a World Series playing Firstbase for the Cubs.

 

A third top prospect made his debut in 2009 slashed .270/.347/.460 with 14 HRs with a 15% K rate, 10% walk rate and 2.1 WAR in 103 games. That prospect was Gordon Beckham.

Agreed...that's posturing but the Astros don't have the leverage because the Rox are lurking too.

The Astros have discussed a Jose Quintana deal with the White Sox but as of now find the price too steep. -- Jake Kaplan

 

https://t.co/p43H4IqisC

 

Fine with me. The Sox should be in no rush to deal Q. Wait for the right package.

 

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Reed batted .064 against lefties in 48 games. That is unbelievably bad and worth considering. Time to declare him a failed prospect? Of course not, but his value is down

Kyle Schwarber has 8 career hits vs. lefties and he is highly regarded.

I expect a Q deal done tomorrow then. This is posturing and them holding off on the deal because the Sox are asking a ton like they should. I would be curious what the Sox are asking for.

So the Astros are now "payroll encumbered" because of all their moves so far this offseason?

 

Luhnow isn't dumb.

 

But, since we now have the international cap back in place....by all means, send some money along and pry an extra piece like Mike Cameron's kid away.

 

Tucker, fwiw, still has a long road, saw him play in Quad Cities this year and he looked more like Ryan Sweeney than a 30 homer guy. It's going to take him another 2 1/2 years or so, but he has that pretty left-handed stroke that everyone covets and the power SHOULD develop with that frame.

 

 

If they do target Maitan, it will be interesting if we ever get a read on what the Sox scouts felt about the likes of Benintendi, Devers, Robles, etc. Probably we'll never know. Just leery of projecting players that are in A ball and below. We've heard so much about the Latin American pipeline and all the hype over Micker Adolfo, and he hasn't even come close to making it to Winston-Salem.

 

And, in the end, it also comes down to confidence in your scouting. It's easy to make mistakes. Look at Viciedo, Soler, Rusney Castillo...and where Puig has fallen, since 2013-14. Abreu isn't the same hitter he debuted as. Yet we now have the latest Cuban phenom in Moncada. And, not only talent, but the ability to deal with adversity or make adjustments instead of just falling in love with workouts and physical tools. We've seen Tim Anderson make adjustments at every step up the ladder, but also a plethora of guys like Brian Anderson/Beckham/Fields/Viciedo/Jared Mitchell/Avi Garcia failed to master the mental side of the game and how to deal with failure or injuries.

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by caulfield12

The Astros have discussed a Jose Quintana deal with the White Sox but as of now find the price too steep. -- Jake Kaplan

 

https://t.co/p43H4IqisC

 

Astros: We want elite starting pitching

White Sox: We have Sale and Quintana, here's the price...

Astros: Nah too steep

White Sox: F*** you, pay me

 

Pony up already Houston!

Astros: We want elite starting pitching

White Sox: We have Sale and Quintana, here's the price...

Astros: Nah too steep

White Sox: F*** you, pay me

 

Pony up already Houston!

 

 

Goodfellas method of doing business always works

Boston paid up. Washington paid up for Eaton. Now Houston or Colorado will. Phil Rogers even said as much when he said Houston and the Sox are far along on a deal.

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by SouthSideSale

So the Astros are now "payroll encumbered" because of all their moves so far this offseason?

 

Luhnow isn't dumb.

 

But, since we now have the international cap back in place....by all means, send some money along and pry an extra piece like Mike Cameron's kid away.

 

Tucker, fwiw, still has a long road, saw him play in Quad Cities this year and he looked more like Ryan Sweeney than a 30 homer guy. It's going to take him another 2 1/2 years or so, but he has that pretty left-handed stroke that everyone covets and the power SHOULD develop with that frame.

 

 

If they do target Maitan, it will be interesting if we ever get a read on what the Sox scouts felt about the likes of Benintendi, Devers, Robles, etc. Probably we'll never know. Just leery of projecting players that are in A ball and below. We've heard so much about the Latin American pipeline and all the hype over Micker Adolfo, and he hasn't even come close to making it to Winston-Salem.

 

And, in the end, it also comes down to confidence in your scouting. It's easy to make mistakes. Look at Viciedo, Soler, Rusney Castillo...and where Puig has fallen, since 2013-14. Abreu isn't the same hitter he debuted as. Yet we now have the latest Cuban phenom in Moncada. And, not only talent, but the ability to deal with adversity or make adjustments instead of just falling in love with workouts and physical tools. We've seen Tim Anderson make adjustments at every step up the ladder, but also a plethora of guys like Brian Anderson/Beckham/Fields/Viciedo/Jared Mitchell/Avi Garcia failed to master the mental side of the game and how to deal with failure or injuries.

After the Puig Mania you put us through, you're not allowed to be skeptical of Cuban players. I'm still traumatized by it and I never made it through a quarter of your posts.

Kyle Schwarber has 8 career hits vs. lefties and he is highly regarded.

If Reed had hit righties...

Goodfellas method of doing business always works

 

Especially when Hahn is playing the role of Robert De Niro

Boston paid up. Washington paid up for Eaton. Now Houston or Colorado will. Phil Rogers even said as much when he said Houston and the Sox are far along on a deal.

 

It's nothing until rosenthal pipes in

Especially when Hahn is playing the role of Robert De Niro

 

Somebody please photoshop Hahn as Robert DeNiro...

After the Puig Mania you put us through, you're not allowed to be skeptical of Cuban players. I'm still traumatized by it and I never made it through a quarter of your posts.

 

Does anyone actually read his generally wildly off topic ramblings?

Kyle Schwarber has 8 career hits vs. lefties and he is highly regarded.

 

And how many homers/XB in how many at-bats against RHP?

 

If the biggest problem the Cubs have is what to do with Schwarber against lefties, they'll be just fine.

 

Plus, Jon Jay...despite being LHed, had pretty decent numbers against LHP. And they've also got Bryant, Contreras and Baez to balance out Heyward/Schwarber/Rizzo.

Edited December 8, 20169 yr by caulfield12

Especially when Hahn is playing the role of Robert De Niro

 

JR kind of looks like Paulie

Q to the Rockies would look to pretty. Guarantee it would be Dahl +