yesterday333 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ May 16, 2017 -> 12:13 AM) Not even for Swarzak, Robertson, and Frazier? Do you even need to include Frazier in that? If we gave them 2 good bullpen arms I think 2 A+ players isn't too much to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ May 14, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) Juan Soto, Carter Kieboom, Severino Personally I would try to get Soto and Kieboom Personally a guy I like from the Nats is Stevenson...he could man CF for me any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (Wanne @ May 16, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) Personally a guy I like from the Nats is Stevenson...he could man CF for me any day. This sounds very romantic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (shipps @ May 16, 2017 -> 02:39 PM) This sounds very romantic. lol he is dreamy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (Wanne @ May 16, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) Personally a guy I like from the Nats is Stevenson...he could man CF for me any day. Stevenson to me is a 4th outfielder at the major league level. He's a quality defender, with solid speed, but his bat offers ZERO power and and his hit tool is average. I'd much rather have Kieboom or Soto. Stevenson's career minor league .706 scares the heck out of me when translating to the next level. I view him as a slightly better Charlie Tilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ May 16, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) Stevenson to me is a 4th outfielder at the major league level. He's a quality defender, with solid speed, but his bat offers ZERO power and and his hit tool is average. I'd much rather have Kieboom or Soto. Stevenson's career minor league .706 scares the heck out of me when translating to the next level. I view him as a slightly better Charlie Tilson. For me, Soto has to be the headliner for Robertson, unless they want to start with Robles in which I would not complain. Stevenson could make for an interesting second or third piece. He he, I wonder if Hahn could squeeze Soto and Fedde for Robertson? Probably not but if the Nat's pen continues to struggle it could become more possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ May 16, 2017 -> 02:13 PM) For me, Soto has to be the headliner for Robertson, unless they want to start with Robles in which I would not complain. Stevenson could make for an interesting second or third piece. He he, I wonder if Hahn could squeeze Soto and Fedde for Robertson? Probably not but if the Nat's pen continues to struggle it could become more possible. I really like Kieboom... partly because of the name but also I think he could play anywhere in the infield and hit well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Juan Soto on DL with a badly sprained ankle sliding home. Will be out awhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ May 16, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) Stevenson to me is a 4th outfielder at the major league level. He's a quality defender, with solid speed, but his bat offers ZERO power and and his hit tool is average. I'd much rather have Kieboom or Soto. Stevenson's career minor league .706 scares the heck out of me when translating to the next level. I view him as a slightly better Charlie Tilson. We already have this player. Adam Engel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (yesterday333 @ May 16, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) I really like Kieboom... partly because of the name but also I think he could play anywhere in the infield and hit well. Have read some really good things about Kieboom, mostly about his bat which I like alot. He's plenty good enough to headline a Robertson trade, IMHO. QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ May 16, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) Juan Soto on DL with a badly sprained ankle sliding home. Will be out awhile s***... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (yesterday333 @ May 16, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) Do you even need to include Frazier in that? If we gave them 2 good bullpen arms I think 2 A+ players isn't too much to ask. Normally no but he's a sweetener to make the deal happen I don't think he has a future here with his recent performance anymore. Way too inconsistent a bat to stick at 1B. He's just a rental for them he has some value as a guy who can play 1B/3B and is a vet and good clubhouse guy for a playoff run. Those A+ players are top 100 prospects fyi or at least borderline - and also really young still with room to improve. Edited May 17, 2017 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 And Robertson promptly damages his trade value. Hahn you gotta know what prospects you want ahead of time and strike while the iron is hot. Not wait for Robertson to hit a rough patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ May 16, 2017 -> 11:35 PM) And Robertson promptly damages his trade value... Meh. I'll just respectfully disagree and leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ May 17, 2017 -> 07:37 AM) Meh. I'll just respectfully disagree and leave it at that. ERA up to 3.21 after his good start. He definitely looks better this year, but he's one more bad outing away from having his ERA really balloon up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ May 16, 2017 -> 11:28 PM) Have read some really good things about Kieboom, mostly about his bat which I like alot. He's plenty good enough to headline a Robertson trade, IMHO. Saw on a fangraphs chat that a scout compared him to Tulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Two inning saves are never easy. Melky Cabrera Blooper Reel and no hard hit balls...that said, Robertson's never going to be more than an 80-85% conversion guy whose strikeout totals look impressive but who usually implodes bigly when he does struggle. And he is inarguably overpaid to put up those numbers for a non-elite closer. And apparently Renteria felt that Swarzak had been used too much already in recent weeks...so you're left with Ynoa and Holmberg to close out a game against the heart of their line-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 17, 2017 -> 01:44 AM) Two inning saves are never easy. Melky Cabrera Blooper Reel and no hard hit balls...that said, Robertson's never going to be more than an 80-85% conversion guy whose strikeout totals look impressive but who usually implodes bigly when he does struggle. And he is inarguably overpaid to put up those numbers for a non-elite closer. And apparently Renteria felt that Swarzak had been used too much already in recent weeks...so you're left with Ynoa and Holmberg to close out a game against the heart of their line-up. He has a 2.38 FIP and is averaging almost 13 K/9. He'll be fine I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 17, 2017 -> 01:44 AM) Two inning saves are never easy. Melky Cabrera Blooper Reel and no hard hit balls...that said, Robertson's never going to be more than an 80-85% conversion guy whose strikeout totals look impressive but who usually implodes bigly when he does struggle. And he is inarguably overpaid to put up those numbers for a non-elite closer. And apparently Renteria felt that Swarzak had been used too much already in recent weeks...so you're left with Ynoa and Holmberg to close out a game against the heart of their line-up. That's why you don't burn your closer in an extra-inning, tie game when you're the road team and a save opportunity could actually present itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ May 17, 2017 -> 01:35 AM) And Robertson promptly damages his trade value. Hahn you gotta know what prospects you want ahead of time and strike while the iron is hot. Not wait for Robertson to hit a rough patch. Takes two to tango and right now, nobody's buying, yet. Hahn cannot force another GM to make a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ May 17, 2017 -> 01:42 AM) Saw on a fangraphs chat that a scout compared him to Tulo Damn, that's a pretty lofty comp. Like him that much more now. Forget Robertson, I hope the Nat's really go after Q with an offer beginning with Robles and Kieboom. I know, I'm reaching a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Robertson was dinked and doinked last night, complements of a lead-footed outfield (which hopefully will be addressed at some point). I'm sure teams interested in Robertson will have scouts in games, so they will be able to read below the stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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