I just think the money might get to staggering amounts that the Sox will not feel comfortable going to. Mlbtraderumors guessed during a weekly chat Machado's deal ends up being $350-400 million over 10+ years on the open market.

 

Is that something we really want to risk? We could theoretically sign 2-3 still very high quality players for that same money.

 

I think it all comes down to how the young guys play this year which is why I think it's stupid to give anything of value up for Machado right now.

 

Moncada/Timmy/Gio/Lopez improve + Avi/Abreu repeat + Rodon exists + Kopech/Eloy look like stars? 300m easier to swallow. A couple of those groupings don't pan out, you may rethink things.

Eventually, the Sox need to be one of those teams. And I would hope it would be on a player that is a 26 year old free agent than one that is at least 30 likes the M's did with Cano.

Robinson Cano has actually outplayed his contract so far with the Mariners. He's been worth more than what he's being paid. That could turn around in the next few seasons, but so far that's not the issue.

 

The issue was that the team signing him wasn't competitive with him, and convinced themselves they could be incorrectly.

Robinson Cano has actually outplayed his contract so far with the Mariners. He's been worth more than what he's being paid. That could turn around in the next few seasons, but so far that's not the issue.

 

The issue was that the team signing him wasn't competitive with him, and convinced themselves they could be incorrectly.

 

I was just referring to if we're going to be a team that spends that kind of money on a player, I'd gladly spend it on someone who won't be up 30s/40 when it's at the end. I just used Cano as an example. Pujols is another one.

Edited December 15, 20178 yr by soxfan2014

I was just referring to if we're going to be a team that spends that kind of money on a player, I'd gladly spend it on someone who won't be up 30s/40 when it's at the end. I just used Cano as an example. Pujols is another one.

I'm much more ok with that example.

If we think "culture" might matter, then how do we know ours is the culture he might like? I think money will matter and pay him the most and he'll come here, but that means I think culture doesn't matter.

 

For those who think it does...they have to prove that he'll be 110% happy on a losing, kid-loaded team where occasionally the starter gives up 9 runs because he's a rookie or the bullpen rookies blow 6 games in a row. If you believe "The culture thing" will matter, that's the downside risk. People think our culture will somehow be a big selling point, but there's just as much reason to worry.

 

Just pay the guy.

 

 

People agree with you. The point is we want to pay him top dollar AND have him here getting acclimated to the city and team, that chemistry is important. I don't think anyone is saying ask for a discount because he would have been here for a year. We simply want an advantage when the money is equal to other offers or a little more. If we wait to FA, he will still see a losing team anyway and without that experience here may not even give us a real look.

People agree with you. The point is we want to pay him top dollar AND have him here getting acclimated to the city and team, that chemistry is important. I don't think anyone is saying ask for a discount because he would have been here for a year. We simply want an advantage when the money is equal to other offers or a little more. If we wait to FA, he will still see a losing team anyway and without that experience here may not even give us a real look.

If Manny Machado can't see that this team is going to be a monster in 2020 then I look forward to beating the tar out of whatever team he plays for.

I'm much more ok with that example.

 

For sure. But Cano also might be a relevant example in another 3-4 years.

https://mobile.twitter.com/masnRoch/status/...703697763110912

 

Makes me think teams are offering MLB players

https://mobile.twitter.com/masnRoch/status/...703697763110912

 

Makes me think teams are offering MLB players

 

Avi and Anderson. Get it done Hahn.

Robinson Cano has actually outplayed his contract so far with the Mariners. He's been worth more than what he's being paid. That could turn around in the next few seasons, but so far that's not the issue.

 

The issue was that the team signing him wasn't competitive with him, and convinced themselves they could be incorrectly.

And amazingly he signed with Seattle without ever playing there.

Avi and Anderson. Get it done Hahn.

No go on Anderson. Avi I have no issues at all including.

And amazingly he signed with Seattle without ever playing there.

What were the market dynamics at that time? Who else was involved in the bidding? How much extra did the Mariners have to offer?

What were the market dynamics at that time? Who else was involved in the bidding? How much extra did the Mariners have to offer?

 

Found an article that the Yankees highest offer was 7/8 years at $175 mill and he signed for 10 years $240 mill.

 

https://nypost.com/2013/12/12/robinson-cano...-seattle-intro/

Avi and Anderson. Get it done Hahn.

 

For one year of Manny, that would be awful. Don't forget Orioles want pitching

What were the market dynamics at that time? Who else was involved in the bidding? How much extra did the Mariners have to offer?

Yankees, Dodgers, same as the teams you worry about. Seattle gave him the best contract. That is what the White Sox will have to do with Machado, whether he plays the 2018 season for them or not.

No go on Anderson. Avi I have no issues at all including.

 

Avi, Stephens and Puckett.

https://mobile.twitter.com/masnRoch/status/...703697763110912

 

Makes me think teams are offering MLB players

 

Avi + Adams + Puckett

 

Yes/No?

Avi + Adams + Puckett

 

Yes/No?

Ya, that's something I do in a heart beat. Trading TA at this point is a bad idea especially for one year of Manny.

Avi + Adams + Puckett

 

Yes/No?

 

f*** yea.

Yankees, Dodgers, same as the teams you worry about. Seattle gave him the best contract. That is what the White Sox will have to do with Machado, whether he plays the 2018 season for them or not.

So just got to outbid the Yankees & Dodgers, two teams with unlimited amounts of money, by $65M or so! Seems like a flawless strategy!

So just got to outbid the Yankees & Dodgers, two teams with unlimited amounts of money, by $65M or so! Seems like a flawless strategy!

The flawed strategy is trading away assets for his services for a meaningless season thinking that will spur him to sign with the team.

 

No one on this board would love to see Manny Machado in a White Sox uniform more than me. But in 2019.

Edited December 15, 20178 yr by Dick Allen

So just got to outbid the Yankees & Dodgers, two teams with unlimited amounts of money, by $65M or so! Seems like a flawless strategy!

 

It's not as unlikely as you make it seem, given the luxury cap, and how far under it the Sox are, and how those 2 teams are already skirting it.

The flawed strategy is trading away assets for his services for a meaningless season thinking that will spur him to sign with the team.

 

No one on this board would love to see Manny Machado in a White Sox uniform more than me. But in 2019.

It’s flawed but I can understand the reasoning. Pitch him on the organization so he knows firsthand and not rely on others telling him about here. Plus Castillo may help also.

It's not as unlikely as you make it seem, given the luxury cap, and how far under it the Sox are, and how those 2 teams are already skirting it.

 

Yep.

Avi + Adams + Puckett

 

Yes/No?

Yes. But is Adams close enough to the bigs for Baltimore's taste? I wouldn't have a problem with substituting Fulmer for Adams.

 

Weren't they rumored to be looking for two starting pitchers that were close to mlb ready? Just offer them Fulmer/Covey and we can all move on with our lives.

Edited December 15, 20178 yr by BlackSox13