Just now, beautox said:

Obviously you've never heard the tale of Katieparry'sbootyhole

Very familiar with katyperrysbunghole 

40 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

 

 If there is one thing I trust Hahn with it's selling high on guys that are reclamation projects.    Omar had a nice season offensively but now that the book is out on him he's going to see a lot more early fastballs and good luck if he can make an adjustment to get the bat off his shoulder earlier in counts.

Plus he's the worst defensive catcher I think many of us long time fans have seen at the MLB level.  Forget about framing, he can't even give a steady target to the pitcher he is constantly shifting his target during the windup.  

Also an underrated point.

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

This is where I am.  Not thrilled with the return, OK with the idea of selling high on Omar.  Last season felt fluke-ish to me, without any real proof to it.  I am OK with selling him now, just not sure about what we got back.  Though as I said, the Sox are the ultimate pump and dump when it comes to relievers.

Yeah the more it’s marinating, the more I’m okay with it. Narvaez is a useful piece, but I’ve said before I’d rather have a defensive specialist with our rookie staff than an bat-only catcher. And while the bat is useful, it’s not likely to be fantastic.

But yeah, colome? I guess if they move him, he’s far more likely to net some talent with upside than Narvaez himself would have been.  

I guess it’s just that we talk about how important it is to give fringe guys a chance to develop during the lean years, and it seems like we were in a Good position to give Narvaez one more year to see if he could keep the bat and improve the defense before the prospects pushed him. 

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Just now, Eminor3rd said:

Yeah the more it’s marinating, the more I’m okay with it. Narvaez is a useful piece, but I’ve said before I’d rather have a defensive specialist with our rookie staff than an bat-only catcher. And while the bar is useful, it’s not likely to be fantastic.

But yeah, colome? I guess if they move him, he’s far more likely to net some talent with upside than Narvaez himself would have been. 

Rays didn't get much for him.

Just now, wrathofhahn said:

Rays didn't get much for him.

Yes, but relievers consistently cost twice as much at the deadline. It’s the largest marginal premium of any position. Also, the Sox have shown a willingness to pay contracts down a bit in trades lately, which the Mariners were obviously not doing here. 

The more I think about it, the more I think Grandal on a 4-year deal is possible if they internally don't have faith in Collins.

6 minutes ago, fathom said:

The more I think about it, the more I think Grandal on a 4-year deal is possible if they internally don't have faith in Collins.

I agree. I think that's a good possibility too. 

7 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

Yes, but relievers consistently cost twice as much at the deadline. It’s the largest marginal premium of any position. Also, the Sox have shown a willingness to pay contracts down a bit in trades lately, which the Mariners were obviously not doing here. 

Absolutely.  Mediocre to good relievers bring much higher prices at the deadline.  For example, if we got a #10 system LH SP prospect for Omar Narvaez would people be happy with that?  Because that plus a DSL lottery ticket is what we got last year at the deadline for Soria.  In the winter, the Dodgers basically gave us a reliever to take Soria.

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

The more I think about it, the more I think Grandal on a 4-year deal is possible if they internally don't have faith in Collins.

What’s the penalty for signing Grandal assuming we land Harper?

33 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If there is one thing the Sox have done really well this year it is pump up relievers in the short term and push them into the trading market. 

What have they gotten for them?  
Rutherford is about it.  And it required 2 really good relievers and Frazier.
The rest brought in a bunch of nothing.

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Edited November 30, 20187 yr by justBLAZE

Gives Burdi some additional time to get his feet underneath him...Hamilton also won’t be thrown to the wolves prematurely.

30 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

Yes, but relievers consistently cost twice as much at the deadline. It’s the largest marginal premium of any position. Also, the Sox have shown a willingness to pay contracts down a bit in trades lately, which the Mariners were obviously not doing here. 

I'm not so sure of that anymore. Soria went for what is currently the 19th ranked prospect. Other that hand trade pretty much all the relievers went for non top 100 prospects.

Colome was originally traded for two non top 20 prospects.

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34 minutes ago, Tony said:

Feel the same way. Disliked it at first glance, but I'm already better with it. 

I’m pretty much on wait and see mode to see how the rest of the offseason plays out.  Either way it’s certainly not a bad trade imo.

11 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

What have they gotten for them?  
Rutherford is about it.  And it required 2 really good relievers and Frazier.
The rest brought in a bunch of nothing.

Unless you’re a big fan of Cordell or Medeiros?

I like this move. Who knows if Narvaez replicates his last season at the plate and at this point he has established a track record of being so bad at framing that by some measures it completely negates the positives of his bat. If the Sox buy into that, they've done well to sell high on him.

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Unless you’re a big fan of Cordell or Medeiros?

If we are talking straight up deals, I would have dealt Narvaez of today for Cordell in 2017 or Mederios in 2018 over Colome today.  And if Colome turns into a deal like that, I will be happy.

 

I'm a little surprised at this predicted arb number for Colome. We way overestimated Abreu last year, are we sure that number is correct?

11 minutes ago, bmags said:

I'm a little surprised at this predicted arb number for Colome. We way overestimated Abreu last year, are we sure that number is correct?

He wound up signing for $13 million, that's probably a little lower than I think I would have guessed for him, but not by much.

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

He wound up signing for $13 million, that's probably a little lower than I think I would have guessed for him, but not by much.

Consensus was much closer to 16 million.

Let the record state Greg doesn't mind this trade. Never fell in love with Narvaez though he did all right. We need bullpen arms who can actually getr people out and not implode and this guy seems like he has a chance to be good.

Greg's rating of trade on 1-10 scale: 8. I'll give it a B on a grade scale, more of a lower end B.

Sox traded for a lot of young arms and don't want to see them hurt by lousy defensive cathers. Narvaez , Avi and Davidson , none stood out defensively.It's a trend . Don't be surprised if more defensive players are found, maybe even at 1st base with Abreu getting a lot more DH time or traded. I've always said play Harper at 1st base.

38 minutes ago, bmags said:

I'm a little surprised at this predicted arb number for Colome. We way overestimated Abreu last year, are we sure that number is correct?

He made 5.3 million the year before. It's not that different from what Herrara made I think he jumped from 5.5 to 7.9

12 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Sox traded for a lot of young arms and don't want to see them hurt by lousy defensive cathers. Narvaez , Avi and Davidson , none stood out defensively.It's a trend . Don't be surprised if more defensive players are found, maybe even at 1st base with Abreu getting a lot more DH time or traded. I've always said play Harper at 1st base.

So after the world series does Grandal count as a strong or weak defensive catcher?

37 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

So after the world series does Grandal count as a strong or weak defensive catcher?

Not even sure he counts as a catcher at all after that.