2 minutes ago, bschmaranz said:

Did I miss something this morning?  Was there a report that he's insisting on SS?

No, there isn't a report. 

Edited January 11, 20197 yr by soxfan2014

1 minute ago, reiks12 said:

Guys get over Tatis, please. 

Will do once the  FO makes a commensurate trade to the Sox advantage, or once the FO clears out.

1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said:

No there isn't. 

Just HS coach’s comments on position preference...unclear they’ve actually spoken recently.

2 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Will do once the  FO makes a commensurate trade to the Sox advantage, or once the FO clears out.

The Q trade?

Just now, caulfield12 said:

Just HS coach’s comments on position preference...unclear they’ve actually spoken recently.

And if they had, I'm sure he would know SS isn't an option for the Sox with Anderson there.

8 minutes ago, TomPickle said:

This is just plainly false. Among qualified hitters he wouldn't have even lead (or finished last?) the major leagues in GB%. Ian Desmond, Eric Hosmer, Jon Jay(!), and Jonathan Villar all had higher ground ball rates than Madrigal did last year in the minors. If you drop the PAs to 170, which Madrigal would have qualified for he drops to 13th just ahead of Dee Gordon.

Looking at the list of the highest ground ball rates is not exactly a who's who of the best hitters in baseball, but Lorenzo Cain, Juan Soto, and Christian Yelich all had 50% ground ball rates. Madrigal's 55.4% coming off a broken wrist in his first taste of pro ball isn't alarming to me.

Ok, there's a trick here now that I'm only just catching - ESPN is using a Gb/FB rate that includes line drives as air outs, while MLB.com is not including line drives as air outs.

HOWEVER, MILB.com is unclear on which it is using. If MILB is successfully breaking out line drives for A ball players, then you're right, and Madrigal's #s are poor but not the worst in the league. I didn't  catch this beforehand. BUT - if MILB.com's statistics are lumping together anything hit in the air, including line drives, as air outs, then the # being reported by MILB.com would compare correctly to the big league number reported by ESPN, not to the number reported by MLB.com that has subtracted out line drives.

If I had to guess - a traditional score table from an A ball game will show ground balls versus anything in the air, but will not break out line drives. I could darn well be wrong on this, but I did not catch this previously and MILB.com doesn't say whether their air outs # has included line drives or not.

4 minutes ago, bschmaranz said:

Did I miss something this morning?  Was there a report that he's insisting on SS?

From his High School coach. I'm not very concerned about it

2 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Will do once the  FO makes a commensurate trade to the Sox advantage, or once the FO clears out.

Quintana for Eloy and Cease looks awfully lopsided, but I doubt you'll give them credit for that.

I've never wanted a prospect to fail more than Tatis.  I think he's going to be a good player, but he does have major strike out concerns.  I think he's very likely he struggles a ton in the majors in the early going, not too dissimilar from Moncada. 

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Ok, there's a trick here now that I'm only just catching - ESPN is using a Gb/FB rate that includes line drives as air outs, while MLB.com is not including line drives as air outs.

HOWEVER, MILB.com is unclear on which it is using. If MILB is successfully breaking out line drives for A ball players, then you're right, and Madrigal's #s are poor but not the worst in the league. I didn't  catch this beforehand. BUT - if MILB.com's statistics are lumping together anything hit in the air, including line drives, as air outs, then the # being reported by MILB.com would compare correctly to the big league number reported by ESPN, not to the number reported by MLB.com that has subtracted out line drives.

If I had to guess - a traditional score table from an A ball game will show ground balls versus anything in the air, but will not break out line drives. I could darn well be wrong on this, but I did not catch this previously and MILB.com doesn't say whether their air outs # has included line drives or not.

I used fangraphs for what it's worth.

1 minute ago, fathom said:

The Q trade?

As long as Cease stays healthy.  

You have a feeling that Tatis can put up huge WAR numbers simply because of his position and strong defensive stats...so it’s not unlike Harper vs. Machado when one weighs Tatis vs. Eloy.  Personal preference.

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

Quintana for Eloy and Cease looks awfully lopsided, but I doubt you'll give them credit for that.

I've never wanted a prospect to fail more than Tatis.  I think he's going to be a good player, but he does have major strike out concerns.  I think he's very likely he struggles a ton in the majors in the early going, not too dissimilar from Moncada. 

A man can only hope. But seriously, he seems like a good kid, so whatever team he´s playing at I wish him the best.

At least he’s on the Padres.  If he was in our own division or league, it would be much harder to swallow.

Plus, Petco is such a huge park it will suppress his offensive numbers.  He hits quite a few line drives out, and those will merely be long outs in that marine layer at night.

Things were slow, but suddenly it picked up because it became a tatis thread

This thread sucks this morning. More Machado less Tatis plz.

Just now, Princess Dye said:

Things were slow, but suddenly it picked up because it became a tatis thread

Gotta love some James Shields ?

6 minutes ago, fathom said:

The Q trade?

Q was a bad trade for the Cubs.  They overpaid.
Tatis was an absolutely horrendous trade for the White Sox.   Much worse in degree.   Shields should have been nothing but a salary dump for an org guy.

1 minute ago, DirtySox said:

This thread sucks this morning. More Machado less Tatis plz.

I agree, let’s keep non Machado stuff out of this thread. If you want to talk music or Tatis or anything else, I think another thread or PM is more appropriate. I’m rather new but that’s my two cents

13 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Will do once the  FO makes a commensurate trade to the Sox advantage, or once the FO clears out.

You mean like Eloy and Cease

2 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Q was a bad trade for the Cubs.  They overpaid.
Tatis was an absolutely horrendous trade for the White Sox.   Much worse in degree.   Shields should have been nothing but a salary dump for an org guy.

It's not worse to a degree because both teams are still waiting for the player(s) in the minors to impact the major leagues, Eloy and Cease are both a lot closer than Tatis

I just wish I knew when the decision would be made.  So I don't hit refresh all day.  If it is 19 days from now, so be it.

It is a tempting time to use Admin powers to filter "Tatis" into "He who shall not be named"

Can you use your powers to redirect them into a new thread?

2 minutes ago, Tony said:

Alright back on topic. Take the Tatis conversation somewhere else. 

I would very much enjoy Manny Machado as a White Sox

 

How many more posts does this thread need to become the biggest in SoxTalk history?

Just now, Whitesox27 said:

How many more posts does this thread need to become the biggest in SoxTalk history?

A lot.