September 5, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: the NFL owners woudn't tolerate the way baseball is run. There is far too much revenue sharing for them to put up with a team purposely losing. I'm of the opinion that if you have to think one millisecond about your QB position you don't have one and should be looking for an upgrade. You just know.
September 5, 20196 yr 35 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I'm of the opinion that if you have to think one millisecond about your QB position you don't have one and should be looking for an upgrade. You just know. That's fine but teams can't tank like in baseball. And if you continually change QBs that's what you are doing. You will never win. It is much more of a business than baseball with revenue sharing and the salary cap.
September 5, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, ptatc said: That's fine but teams can't tank like in baseball. And if you continually change QBs that's what you are doing. You will never win. It is much more of a business than baseball with revenue sharing and the salary cap. It isn't that, it's more that tier 2 and 3 QBs should move around a ton. They should be recycled between teams while they're finding a real QB. Something needs to change because re-signing an average or above average QB is too damn cap punitive.
September 5, 20196 yr Watched the NFL Films Bears season review and my biggest take away is that I would probably take a bullet for Matt Nagy if I played for him.
September 5, 20196 yr 12 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It isn't that, it's more that tier 2 and 3 QBs should move around a ton. They should be recycled between teams while they're finding a real QB. Something needs to change because re-signing an average or above average QB is too damn cap punitive. You have to stop thinking that teams can and should be run like fantasy teams. Teams can't just punt in second tier QBs just because they are not elite, ptatc is correct in that your model will lead to constant losing and that is not sustainable in the nfl
September 5, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: interested to see how raiders fans try to convince themselves this is actually normal
September 5, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Well, for the Bears it seems like a good thing their big trade was for Mack and not for Brown.
September 5, 20196 yr 19 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: You have to stop thinking that teams can and should be run like fantasy teams. Teams can't just punt in second tier QBs just because they are not elite, ptatc is correct in that your model will lead to constant losing and that is not sustainable in the nfl It's not any different from what it is right now. The only difference is that teams win a few more games. What good does that do? It takes a historic defense to win without a franchise level QB. Idk how the Eagles won that game, but they're an extreme outlier.
September 5, 20196 yr 48 minutes ago, mqr said: interested to see how raiders fans try to convince themselves this is actually normal For the raiders organization it is actually normal.
September 5, 20196 yr 46 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It's not any different from what it is right now. The only difference is that teams win a few more games. What good does that do? It takes a historic defense to win without a franchise level QB. Idk how the Eagles won that game, but they're an extreme outlier. I think I'm just going on a moratorium against conversing with you in this thread. Talk to you about football in February
September 5, 20196 yr Always a good sign when your WR is trying to beat up your GM and Burfict is one with trying to calm things down. I wonder if the Raiders just release AB, what a mess.
September 5, 20196 yr 59 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I think I'm just going on a moratorium against conversing with you in this thread. Talk to you about football in February Why is saying that the percentage of the cap that tier 2 and 3 QBs make is ridiculous, somehow a hot take? At current prices, only those on HOF trajectories are worth keeping. If the prices for ok to good come down, it's fine to keep those guys. But a QB shouldn't get $30M annually and $100M guaranteed just because of the position he plays. Ask yourself what you'd pay a guy with comparable skill set at WR, CB, LT, DE, etc, then add 10% for being a QB. That's more reasonable. You should have to cut, trade or let walk 1/4 of your team just to keep a QB around, if they can't withstand that hit due to the QB being great. The problem isn't keeping the QB, it's how punitive it is to the remainder of the team. With the way things are right now, the Washington/Cousins Approach is the best MO. Give your guy 6-7 seasons to see what he is, and if he isn't good enough let him go. I just think it's dumb to lock up a QB that isn't on a HOF trajectory long-term. It would be different if it wasn't so punitive. Edited September 5, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman
September 5, 20196 yr 15 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It isn't that, it's more that tier 2 and 3 QBs should move around a ton. They should be recycled between teams while they're finding a real QB. Something needs to change because re-signing an average or above average QB is too damn cap punitive. If they move around a ton, you get the scenario I presented. Coaches continually having to teach their system to new QBs and the offense will never really get going. This will not be conducive for winning teams.
September 5, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: If they move around a ton, you get the scenario I presented. Coaches continually having to teach their system to new QBs and the offense will never really get going. This will not be conducive for winning teams. The other option is the Washington/Cousins approach, where you give a guy 6-7 years. I'm really in favor of that. Cousins was a bit different because he was a 4th rounder. But you can pick up the 5th year option and then franchise a guy without crippling your cap long-term. I'd rather pay an above average QB 1 year under the franchise tag than sign him long-term
September 5, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Well, for the Bears it seems like a good thing their big trade was for Mack and not for Brown. and the fact the Bears have the Raiders 2nd rounder next year is icing on the cake...
September 5, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Burton inactive. pfffttt...shocker with Burton. He's turned into a limp wash rag... Full Bears inactives: Kevin Toliver Kerrith Whyte Jr. Josh Woods Abdullah Anderson Rashaad Coward Riley Ridley Trey Burton Interesting that Shelley is active over Toliver.
September 5, 20196 yr By the way, I don't think it's impossible to win a championship without a HOF QB. I do think it's impossible to win more than one. The window of a SB winning team without a HOF QB is short, probably 2-3 seasons. I wish teams would take QBs that they like in the 1st round when they have a 28+ year old tier 2 or 3 QB. If they're right, not only can they get an upgrade at QB they can also get a haul for trading a tier 2/3 guy to a team with a really bad QB.
September 6, 20196 yr 17 minutes ago, Heads22 said: Looking for David to score 4 or 5 TD's tonight, obviously Ok, are you Bob Swerski or Carl Wollarski? Todd O'Connor maybe? Edited September 6, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman
September 6, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Ok, are you Bob Swerski or Carl Wollarski? Todd O'Connor maybe? no clue who any of those people are
September 6, 20196 yr 16 minutes ago, Heads22 said: no clue who any of those people are Da Superfans of course! Did you watch the videos earlier in the thread?
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