January 9, 20206 yr 4 minutes ago, fathom said: I really hope Cardinals flip these guys for Arenado Could also be Mookie Betts.
January 10, 20206 yr 17 minutes ago, fathom said: I really hope Cardinals flip these guys for Arenado This is exactly what I am thinking. And they re-sign Marcell Ozuna. Edited January 10, 20206 yr by Moan4Yoan
January 10, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: This is exactly what I am thinking. And they re-sign Marcell Ozuna. One or the other. Not both
January 10, 20206 yr 18 minutes ago, fathom said: One or the other. Not both I think both. What do the Cardinals need a 19 year old pitching prospect for when they are trying to compete now? Also, they are rumored to be dealing major league outfielder(s) to the Rays so bringing back Ozuna would make sense. The market for Ozuna and Castellanos seems to have stalled and they may come cheaper now. Edited January 10, 20206 yr by Moan4Yoan
January 10, 20206 yr I absolutely love Liberatore as a prospect (I was adamant about the Sox drafting him in fact) so I'm very interested to see the details of this one. And if Hahn feels he likes him alot too and needs to trade for him then by all means.
January 10, 20206 yr Draft picks involved... ”5:37PM: The trade is shaping up as a multi-player blockbuster, as The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (Twitter links) reports that the Cardinals and Rays are each sending three “pieces” to the other in the deal. “At least two of those pieces are draft picks,” Rosenthal notes, indicating that Competitive Balance Round selections (the only type of draft picks that can be traded) are in play. The Cards are slated to pick in Competitive Balance Round A following the first round of the draft, whereas the Rays draw after the second round in Competitive Balance Round B, so there is roughly a 30-slot gap between the two picks.”
January 10, 20206 yr This trade makes no sense for the Rays unless they really don’t like Liberatore.
January 10, 20206 yr 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: This trade makes no sense for the Rays unless they really don’t like Liberatore. Yeah I don’t get it
January 10, 20206 yr 7 minutes ago, YoYoIsMyHero said: So the Rays wanted a mediocre 31 year old outfielder (ex-Sox prospect Jose Martinez) that badly and to jump 30 spots in the draft that they would give up their #4 overall and top pitching prospect? This looks like a St. Louis fleecing to me. Edited January 10, 20206 yr by Moan4Yoan
January 10, 20206 yr Really don’t understand this trade for the Rays. They must know something we don’t. I think Liberatore has huge potential. Rays got a very light return. Edited January 10, 20206 yr by PolishPrince34
January 10, 20206 yr 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: Rays wanted a mediocre outfielder (ex-Sox prospect) that badly and to jump 30 spots in the draft that they would give up their #4 overall and top pitching prospect? Or they really like Arozarena and are buying all in on his changes last year. Either way it feels really odd. A-ball pitching prospects are the riskiest prospects in the game - in a sense of prospect ranking to success. Even still youd have to think hes worth more than that.
January 10, 20206 yr 13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Or they really like Arozarena and are buying all in on his changes last year. Either way it feels really odd. A-ball pitching prospects are the riskiest prospects in the game - in a sense of prospect ranking to success. Even still youd have to think hes worth more than that. Quite a gamble with Arozarena being older than the competition at every level. He repeated A, AA, AAA, and is turning 25 next month. This looks like the Cardinals turning a whole lot of nothing into something of high value (Liberatore). Edited January 10, 20206 yr by Moan4Yoan
January 10, 20206 yr Definitely a puzzling trade...but Jose Martinez definitely seems like the type of guy that will go to the Rays and have a career year for no apparent reason. I fully expect .800+ OPS with 40 bombs...for $2 mil + 2 arb years after. It’s just what the Rays do, I’ve stopped questioning them
January 10, 20206 yr I actually like Arozarena. Has very good potential, was a futures game selection, etc. I just don't think he or Martinez justifies getting Liberatore, but then again I am very high on him.
January 10, 20206 yr By WAR this actually looks like it’s easier for the Rays side of it to rack up the WAR than the Cards. Arozarena and Martinez Dhing looks like an easy 15 WAR, maybe 20 over the next 4-6 years? Thats a bunch of WAR to hope Liberatore ends up accumulating considering how young and far away he is. Plus the Rays just snagged a way better draft pick and pool. They can draft another Liberatore in 5.5 months.
January 10, 20206 yr Matt Liberatore, Dylan Carlson, and Nolan Gorman for Arenado and cash. Do the Rockies say no? Edited January 10, 20206 yr by Moan4Yoan
January 10, 20206 yr 8 minutes ago, reiks12 said: One thing i learned is to never doubt the Rays. I doubt their fans feel the same. They haven't advanced past the division series since 2008 when they beat the Sox. Did make the playoffs 4/11 seasons, but haven't won a series. The Rays do it an interesting way and very cheapy, but its not like they've actually done anything with it. Edited January 10, 20206 yr by ChiSox59
January 10, 20206 yr 6 minutes ago, reiks12 said: One thing i learned is to never doubt the Rays. This. Their FO and scouting is one of the best, if not the best.
January 10, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Matt Liberatore, Dylan Carlson, and Nolan Gorman for Arenado and cash. Do the Rockies say no? Cash is a pretty big factor there. How much cash? If like $20M, that is such a no brainer for the Rockies. Who is beating that? That is like trading Cease, Madrigal and Vaughn for him. Crazy town.
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