23 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Fuggem.  It should be Collins and prospects not named Madrigal and Vaughn if they want to get out of luxury tax hell.

Yeah. It's gotta be Price, Benintendi, plus cash for Collins OR Price, Benintendi, no cash coming to the Sox for someone lesser than Collins. Throw Mazara in the deal since we wouldn't need him anymore and the Red Sox can plug him in LF for Benintendi.

Edited December 12, 20196 yr by soxfan2014

Think what you must about Hahn, but theres no chance he thought price and benetendi for Madrigal and Vaughn was the enticing offer he discussed. 

I'd consider sending both Madrigal and Vaughn for Price, Beni and Rodriguez. 

1 minute ago, Flash said:

I'd consider sending both Madrigal and Vaughn for Price, Beni and Rodriguez. 

Replace Price with Sale and sure. 

3 minutes ago, Flash said:

I'd consider sending both Madrigal and Vaughn for Price, Beni and Rodriguez. 

No. That's a move a team on the brink of contention makes, someone that needs that final piece vet presence to win *this year* while leveraging the future. That is not us.

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

Replace Price with Sale and sure. 

What about the elbow?

8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Think what you must about Hahn, but theres no chance he thought price and benetendi for Madrigal and Vaughn was the enticing offer he discussed. 

yes, and I would also bet this offer was not discussed at all. And it was more Gammons talking to someone in or near the FO who was identifying prospects.

1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said:

What about the elbow?

Just got a clean bill of health from Dr. Andrews. Not worried. The Sox did a better job of keeping him healthy than Boston. 

Edited December 12, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

Yeah I mean if we're going to go big let's get Sale. If Red Sox want to dump him then let them dump him on us. White Sox can afford to take a gamble on a guy who has done nothing but pitch like a hall of famer.

1 minute ago, bmags said:

yes, and I would also bet this offer was not discussed at all. And it was more Gammons talking to someone in or near the FO who was identifying prospects.

and FWIW Gammons said it was clear they were "far apart" on a price

4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Replace Price with Sale and sure. 

Nope. That ship has Saled.

Sadly, I could see the Sox being stupid doing the Madrigan and Vaughn trade if Boston ate most of the contract. I have zero faith in the front office.

Just now, ptatc said:

Nope. That ship has Saled.

Yeah I don't think he will ever be back. The Red Sox also did just extend him (prior GM though) so they would probably rather keep him than Price (even though Price's contract does expire sooner).

If I'm packaging Vaughn and Madrigal the headline piece is going to be a hell of a lot better than a 34 year old price, Benintendi or Rodriguez. That's just (expensive) depth.

And I'm a big Benintendi backer!

Use that talent for a guy your front office does not allow themselves to sign.

1 minute ago, nickofypres said:

Sadly, I could see the Sox being stupid doing the Madrigan and Vaughn trade if Boston ate most of the contract. I have zero faith in the front office.

Honestly, that's a fair take.

Just now, bmags said:

If I'm packaging Vaughn and Madrigal the headline piece is going to be a hell of a lot better than a 34 year old price, Benintendi or Rodriguez. That's just (expensive) depth.

And I'm a big Benintendi backer!

Use that talent for a guy your front office does not allow themselves to sign.

No doubt. That would be an awful trade. The Collins+ MiLB piece would be more appropriate.

If Boston is trying to dump salary the return should reflect that.  If the Sox won't leverage their payroll "flexibility" in FA hopefully they at least leverage it in trades.

Is there still any smoke here or has this bad boy died?

51 minutes ago, sox71 said:

Gammons just said on MLB that the Red Sox want Vaughn and Madrigal to make this Price-Benitendi+cash deal to work.  He did comment that they were too far apart on money.   That would be crazy.  

That's what you get for not ponying up for a real FA SP line Gerrit Cole. Yeah, yeah I get it. Even if the Sox were really in on him it's still very likely he'd choose New York. It doesnt matter though. Now you're in a position where teams want 2 of your 3 best prospects for David freaking Price and AB??? 

Screw that! Should have just offered Wheeler the We Suck Tax to change his mind. 

6 minutes ago, Steve9347 said:

Is there still any smoke here or has this bad boy died?

Pulled the plug.

1 minute ago, South Sider said:

That's what you get for not ponying up for a real FA SP line Gerrit Cole. Yeah, yeah I get it. Even if the Sox were really in on him it's still very likely he'd choose New York. It doesnt matter though. Now you're in a position where teams want 2 of your 3 best prospects for David freaking Price and AB??? 

Screw that! Should have just offered Wheeler the We Suck Tax to change his mind. 

Yep.  Penny smart pound foolish.  As usual.  They will commit two unnecessary years (and 30 odd million) to Jose but won't sweeten a deal by 10 million or so when it only costs cash to acquire a 4 WAR SP and not trade assets.

7 minutes ago, Steve9347 said:

Is there still any smoke here or has this bad boy died?

I think its dead, based on how quiet it's been and how stupid that Gammons tweet was.

7 minutes ago, Steve9347 said:

Is there still any smoke here or has this bad boy died?

I'm gonna lean toward dead. That's usually how these things go. 

 

1 minute ago, almagest said:

I think its dead, based on how quiet it's been and how stupid that Gammons tweet was.

But the moves the Sox make are usually pretty quiet. Sometimes you don't even know they are interested in a player until he is acquired.

Just now, soxfan2014 said:

But the moves the Sox make are usually pretty quiet. Sometimes you don't even know they are interested in a player until he is acquired.

True, but once something comes out it's usually done quickly. Grandal happened fast, Mazara took a couple hours.