12 minutes ago, fathom said:

Bernstein today had a long segment where he brought up a conversation he had with a Sox source. He said all the moves they made/make will only be for one year, and not to expect any multi-year big moves.  Seemed to imply they are considering waiting until the deadline for a closer.  Also said he was told the team would never sign someone to a mega-deal, as they don’t believe it’s worth it (Heyward was the example).  They do have money still to spend, but they’re too nervous about the pandemic to tie it up for more than 2021.

What is there is to be worried about beyond 2021 though?  Next year is the only season that has real risk from a financial standpoint.

I still think they sign Hendriks.

8 minutes ago, fathom said:

They’ll wait until more is known about future attendance estimations based on vaccines, he made it seem.

After hearing that I'd be shocked if Hendriks signed here. I think they're going to go with internal options unless Colome falls into their lap on a 1 year deal. 

I wouldn't expect much more from the Sox this winter unless they can get some bargains on 1 year deals. Otherwise, what you see now is what you get. 

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by Jack Parkman

Not a fan of waiting for the deadline for a closer. I'm sure Bummer would be great but I would hate the Sox giving up a heavy price at the deadline for a closer. They'd be better off trying to resign Colome for the year if they're scared of the Hendriks commitment.

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by TheTruth05

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What is there is to be worried about beyond 2021 though?  Next year is the only season that has real risk from a financial standpoint.

I still think they sign Hendriks.

He mentioned teams aren’t sure what percentage of fans still won’t want to come to games due to the risk of the virus even after the vaccine.  He then mentioned Sox front office doesn’t trust the fan base to stick with them if they struggle.

Bernstein's Sox talk is usually not very accurate.

Just now, Dick Allen said:

Bernstein's Sox talk is usually not very accurate.

Agreed, and I would be surprised if they’re not at least pursuing Hendriks, as so many different reporters have said they want him.

23 hours ago, Saufley said:

What happened to the Liam Hendriks discussion?

Seems we can wrap this one up and put it away. Too bad.

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

He mentioned teams aren’t sure what percentage of fans still won’t want to come to games due to the risk of the virus even after the vaccine.  He then mentioned Sox front office doesn’t trust the fan base to stick with them if they struggle.

He can trust they won't.  There is no question in my mind.

6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What is there is to be worried about beyond 2021 though?  Next year is the only season that has real risk from a financial standpoint.

I still think they sign Hendriks.

Also since I know you mention this a lot, he said the Cubs are totally screwed. Their entire business model is focused on gate revenue and the surrounding businesses.

Btw, I think Rosenthal is an option for closer that’s not discussed enough. He never pitched for Tony in StL, but I’m sure they have a lot of similar acquaintances.

jesus christ.  waiting til the deadline for a closer means giving up prospects when right now you have a guy looking for a job who might be the best closer in the AL and only requires cash.

did I mention how much I fucking hate Jerry Reinsdorf.  

5 minutes ago, Saufley said:

Seems we can wrap this one up and put it away. Too bad.

Not so fast. Hahn did say stay tuned, so something will happen. 

Listen for yourself, starts around 17 minute mark in Hour 3:

https://www.radio.com/670thescore/podcasts/bernstein-show-65/bernstein-matt-miller-interview-white-soxs-moves-nba-trivia-hour-3-352052981

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

Also since I know you mention this a lot, he said the Cubs are totally screwed. Their entire business model is focused on gate revenue and the surrounding businesses.

This has been evident for a while.  They were maxed out last year at full capacity.

Lynn + Eaton as our offseason would be a failure for me. F.

 

They have work to do. 

The only possible hope for Hendriks is if the source was referring to Bauer or Springer in terms of big splash money and not closer money.

Just now, iWiN4PreP said:

Lynn + Eaton as our offseason would be a failure for me. F.

 

They have work to do. 

They will definitely still make a move for a starting pitcher and reliever.

5 minutes ago, fathom said:

Also since I know you mention this a lot, he said the Cubs are totally screwed. Their entire business model is focused on gate revenue and the surrounding businesses.

And they invested big bucks into the surrounding area which totally kills them.

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

Also since I know you mention this a lot, he said the Cubs are totally screwed. Their entire business model is focused on gate revenue and the surrounding businesses.

I know Americans/people in general have a hard time seeing into the future which is why its difficult to tackle climate change when it is a dire problem, but things will return back to normal. Large crowd events will not go away. People take inherit risks everyday in life. 7k people die per day, 450 from accidents and etc, and as long as the death rates normalize (which already happened in October and September despite covid) and the media covers it responsibly, there's no reason why life should not return to normal sometime in the next 12 months.

Edit ill add the image so people understand that covid has been bad and will likely add 100k+ excess deaths in 2020, there's no reason to believe that trend will continue into the future.

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by Look at Ray Ray Run

Just now, fathom said:

The only possible hope for Hendriks is if the source was referring to Bauer or Springer in terms of big splash money and not closer money.

The source may be right, because if we offer Liam 3 and 40 he probably takes it. There is a reason this thing is stalling.

Why is it that baseball - which is an outdoor game - is the only league crying the end of worlds is here and we need everyone else to subsidize our problems.

2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

The source may be right, because if we offer Liam 3 and 40 he probably takes it. There is a reason this thing is stalling.

If the Mets are looking at various options and teams like the Phillies are in flux, Hendriks has no reason to rush his decision. There’s a reason no free agents of substance have picked a team yet.  We got spoiled by two moves in 12 hours.  I feel like the insider accounts for everyone a little too optimistic it would happen soon.

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by fathom

7 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

jesus christ.  waiting til the deadline for a closer means giving up prospects when right now you have a guy looking for a job who might be the best closer in the AL and only requires cash.

did I mention how much I fucking hate Jerry Reinsdorf.  

Hahn has implied they aren’t done yet, so they’ll certainly be adding a reliever and a starter before the offseason is over.  And let’s be honest, they purposely leaked that adding Eaton instead of a pricier OF would allow them to do other things and that to me is clear indication that the pursuit of Hendriks is real.  Obviously no guarantee they get him, but I do think he’s the #1 priority.

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by Chicago White Sox

15 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

After hearing that I'd be shocked if Hendriks signed here. I think they're going to go with internal options unless Colome falls into their lap on a 1 year deal. 

I wouldn't expect much more from the Sox this winter unless they can get some bargains on 1 year deals. Otherwise, what you see now is what you get. 

So do you think that the rumors are lies?  Do you not believe we are negotiating with him?

Just now, fathom said:

If the Mets are looking at various options and teams like the Phillies are in flux, Hendriks has no reason to rush his decision. There’s a reason no free agents of substance have picked a team yet.  We got spoiled by two moves in 12 hours.

Teams aren't spending money and dragging things out to suppress contracts. So if Liam gets 3 and 40 he probably takes it to avoid getting 3 and 27 next month.