Tnetennba Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, hogan873 said: And watch the free agent and trade frenzy start. How many teams have deals in place, waiting to press the Go button? Would not surprise me if there were quite a lot of under the table conversations happening. Give me the frenzy already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So the MLB wants $200M over five years for pre-arb, and the players want $375. Split the difference, and you are at $287.5M. Start it at $50M in year one, and increase by $5M each year (50+55+60+65+70 = 300). That would lean a little more toward the players in terms of total dollars, but it would be much closer to what the MLB wants for an initial amount. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, Tnetennba said: Would not surprise me if there were quite a lot of under the table conversations happening. Give me the frenzy already! It would surprise me if they were NOT happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, ptatc said: The biggest issue seems to be the union wants an increasing pool of money for pre-arb and the owners want a flat rate. Can't really split that. True, but there has to be a middle ground there somewhere. $55-60M flat or $45-50M escalating, something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: So they're not close to a deal. Great. Depends on who’s saying it. Edited March 10, 2022 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Shut up, Jon. Go to Arby’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: Depends on who’s saying it. Yeah, really no reason. I'll have what he's been taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Don’t get your hopes up for a deal today. We’ve been down this road before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Yeah, really no reason. I'll have what he's been taking. He and Nightengale are directly connected to some subset of ownership or the MLB front office. They are always first, and are always putting the pressure on players because everything is sooooo close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maloney.adam Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: And Jeff Passan just got hacked. What a day. They had enough of the lockout talk so they decided to take him down. Lol Edited March 10, 2022 by maloney.adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiSox59 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 37 minutes ago, fathom said: I’m not sure my body is ready for next 72 hours. Why did that have to be when all the conference tournaments are rocking. This. Needed to be productive this week and next knowing half to day and all of Thur and Fri next week are shot. This isn't helping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ptatc Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 38 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I love Keith Law @Orn L. Yes. Manfred said when he got the Commissioner's job that he was determined to get an international draft. Now they're throwing it into CBA talks like it was an afterthought. He's always wanted this, and the reason is that it saves owners money. You should assume anything the owners present in CBA talks is there to reduce their spending on players, and work backwards from there. This is somewhat irrelevant or stating the obvious. Of course anything the owners propose is for reducing costs. Just as anything the players propose is to increase salary and benefits for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 37 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: So they're not close to a deal. Great. Jack - how many billions in total spend and we are down to like <$50M in total...probably closer to $30-$35M difference. That is small potatoes at this point. Not saying it gets done - but the whole burn it to the ground or x or y - it really is the key that both sides don't go back to their corners and start over. As long as they keep grinding forward - they will get there (but always a wildcard a group gets emotional and they take 1-2 steps back). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Jack - how many billions in total spend and we are down to like <$50M in total...probably closer to $30-$35M difference. That is small potatoes at this point. Not saying it gets done - but the whole burn it to the ground or x or y - it really is the key that both sides don't go back to their corners and start over. As long as they keep grinding forward - they will get there (but always a wildcard a group gets emotional and they take 1-2 steps back). The difference in the pre-arb pool is $175 million by itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 The usual suspects tweeting optimism because it’s supposed to make the owners look good and put pressure on the players to say yes, is exactly what we don’t need today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: The difference in the pre-arb pool is $175 million by itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: The difference in the pre-arb pool is $175 million by itself. Pre-arb pool difference is $25M (between $65 (Players) and $40M (Owners). Plus some growth factor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: The difference in the pre-arb pool is $175 million by itself. In total, yes. By year it doesn't seem that far apart. Not so wide a gap that a compromise can't be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, fathom said: I’m not sure my body is ready for next 72 hours. Why did that have to be when all the conference tournaments are rocking. Anyone want to tell me what on Earth just happened in the 2nd half in Indy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The $175 is numbers happening - that is taking the $25M and multiplying it by 5 years (plus a HIGH growth factor). But it is a per year basis of $25M (plus growth factor). That isn't that big when you talk about a concession (relative to total annual revenues). My guess is it comes in around 50 but with a growth factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said: Pre-arb pool difference is $25M (between $65 (Players) and $40M (Owners). Plus some growth factor. $25 in the first year, 30 in the 2nd, 35 in the 3rd, 40 in the 4th, and 45 in the final for a total of $175m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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