February 23, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: NCAA is a totally different animal. 16 and 15 seeds win well over 95% of the time. A 2 seed in this proposed MLB playoff structure that wins 100 games but misses the 1 seed bye by 1 game is going to lose to an around .500 7 seed far far far more than 5% of the time. Its terrible I hate it. But its not like its going to change my fandom. Bottom line, around .500 ballclubs don't deserve to make the playoffs. It would have worked out OK for the AL last year, but the NL would have been gross. I think I agree with you but someone pointed out an important note last time I said something similar - adding in 2 more teams in the AL puts Vlad Jr and that team in the playoffs (Super fun) and 2 more teams in the NL last year adds an 82 win Phillies team that happened to have Bryce Harper and Zack Wheeler. In Devil's Advocate mode - that's not as gross as it seems?
February 23, 20224 yr I see it reported that Scherzer loses $232,000 per day for every day lost to the lockout. Won't take long before that becomes money.
February 23, 20224 yr Just now, poppysox said: I see it reported that Scherzer loses $232,000 per day for every day lost to the lockout. Won't take long before that becomes money. In his career to date, Max Scherzer has earned $221 million. That is 0.1% of his career earnings per day. I think he's fine.
February 23, 20224 yr Cutting the regular season back to say 152 games makes each of those games more important. There are a balance between no playoffs and the team with the best record gets the title and everyone in the playoffs. I've wanted top two in each division plus the next two teams with the best record.
February 23, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, poppysox said: I see it reported that Scherzer loses $232,000 per day for every day lost to the lockout. Won't take long before that becomes money. Which means his owner loses even more.
February 23, 20224 yr Author 12 minutes ago, poppysox said: I see it reported that Scherzer loses $232,000 per day for every day lost to the lockout. Won't take long before that becomes money. How much does Jerry Reinsdorf lose per day?
February 23, 20224 yr NCAA is also much more selective. A 16-seed is still one of the top 15% of teams in the country. I believe the NCAA tournament criteria is set at 1 entrant per 6.5 teams or something similar... so even though the tournament is huge, it's still small compared to the team pool at large.
February 23, 20224 yr 16 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I think I agree with you but someone pointed out an important note last time I said something similar - adding in 2 more teams in the AL puts Vlad Jr and that team in the playoffs (Super fun) and 2 more teams in the NL last year adds an 82 win Phillies team that happened to have Bryce Harper and Zack Wheeler. In Devil's Advocate mode - that's not as gross as it seems? Personally, I think so. Making the playoffs in baseball should be hard. I don't really give 2 shits about potential interest adding four undeserving teams to the field creates. The 82 win Phillies team shouldn't be in the playoffs. But its the way we appear to be going, so oh well. I just don't like it.
February 23, 20224 yr 31 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: In his career to date, Max Scherzer has earned $221 million. That is 0.1% of his career earnings per day. I think he's fine. Also this Quote “We have a pretty good war chest behind us of money that we can allocate to players who would need it for certain situations,” said new Mets pitcher Max Scherzer, who was at the negotiations in Texas as part of the union’s leadership, of the ability to persuade the players who are not multimillionaires that they can survive an extended work stoppage. “... For the last five years, we’ve been kind of thinking that we would need as big a war chest as possible coming into this. “Best-case scenario would be to not tap it. Hopefully we can get a deal at some point in time, but as players we are steadfast in our belief of how we see the game.” https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/mlb-labor-lockout-cba-max-scherzer-20211201.html
February 23, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I was told it's a lot more than 8 and they aren't gonna budge. The players will have to take their victories in minimum salary and arbitration. We should all boycott the sport. What they're proposing for the luxury tax is a fucking joke. I hope they miss the season.
February 23, 20224 yr 10 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: We should all boycott the sport. What they're proposing for the luxury tax is a fucking joke. I hope they miss the season. I sure don't. This is millionaires vs. billionaires after all. Every other league has a cap. The luxury tax for the players is a better scenario than a hard cap.
February 23, 20224 yr Just now, raBBit said: I sure don't. This is millionaires vs. billionaires after all. Every other league has a cap. The luxury tax for the players is a better scenario than a hard cap. It's really not. 70% of the league makes under $1 million per year and it's the lowest minimum salary in all of sports. What the owners are trying to do on the luxury tax would make it really tough on the White Sox the next couple seasons and the penalties are ridiculous. It doesn't force the small market clubs to spend and stops the largest market clubs from spending. Sounds like a hard cap to me.
February 23, 20224 yr 21 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: We should all boycott the sport. What they're proposing for the luxury tax is a fucking joke. I hope they miss the season. No you don't. Stop talking mad.
February 23, 20224 yr Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: It's really not. 70% of the league makes under $1 million per year and it's the lowest minimum salary in all of sports. What the owners are trying to do on the luxury tax would make it really tough on the White Sox the next couple seasons and the penalties are ridiculous. It doesn't force the small market clubs to spend and stops the largest market clubs from spending. Sounds like a hard cap to me. Being a millionaire =/= you make a million a year in salary. I agree that the minimum should be raised but that's a separate point. Guys on the Sox 26-man that make under $1 a year: -Cease - 1.5 million signing bonus at 18 -Kopech - 1.6 million signing bonus at 18 -Collins - 3.3 million signing bonus at 21 -Crochet - 4.5 million signing bonus at 21 -Vaughn - 7.2 million signing bonus at 21 -Sheets - 2 million signing bonus at 21 Then you have Ruiz, Burr, Lopez, Romy Gonzalez and Engel who never got 7 digit bonuses. Plus guys on the 40 man that have made 7 digit bonuses in Rutherford, Burger, Adolfo, etc. So less than 20% of the Sox active roster is players that haven't had a 7 digit payday.
February 23, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: No you don't. Stop talking mad. Yup. Last thing I want is the season cancelled or delayed. I know some dumb people think that's what the owners want but obviously there is nothing behind that.
February 23, 20224 yr 6 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: No you don't. Stop talking mad. You're right. I don't hope they miss the season. That's crazy. I'd rather they miss the season than go with what the owners have proposed on the luxury tax though because it's better for the long-term health of the sport. The owners are going to have to move on the luxury tax though or they might actually miss a season.
February 23, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: You're right. I don't hope they miss the season. That's crazy. I'd rather they miss the season than go with what the owners have proposed on the luxury tax though because it's better for the long-term health of the sport. The owners are going to have to move on the luxury tax though or they might actually miss a season. Putting the players "winning" this negotiation aside, why are you so against capping spending and making a more level playing field? I know the Sox have spent last year and would continue to have a higher than average payroll moving forward in a normal scenario but they have acted like a small market team for the last decade basically. I don't want the Yankees spending 100 million more than us. Obviously we both would want a payroll floor but that's not happening but capping spending so the Yankees and Dodgers can't dominate everyone in player acquisitions on the free market is something I, and I would imagine you, would want. Edited February 23, 20224 yr by raBBit
February 23, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, raBBit said: Yup. Last thing I want is the season cancelled or delayed. I know some dumb people think that's what the owners want but obviously there is nothing behind that. It's not what the owners want. They're conflicted though. Manfred needs 23 votes to pass anything and that makes things pretty tough when you have people that truly don't want to spend but also don't want others spending either.
February 23, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: It's not what the owners want. They're conflicted though. Manfred needs 23 votes to pass anything and that makes things pretty tough when you have people that truly don't want to spend but also don't want others spending either. Sure but that's Manfred's job to get the owners together and figure it out. And frankly, if I were one of the cheap owners I would hold out too given the unions bargaining over the last several years. That dunce Tony Clark complains about this and that in between negotiations but when push comes to shove does nothing about the issues he highlights. He hasn't done anything positive for the players in years if ever.
February 23, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, raBBit said: Putting the players "winning" this negotiation aside, why are you so against capping spending and making a more level playing field? I know the Sox have spent last year and would continue to have a higher than average payroll moving forward in a normal scenario but they have always acted like a small market team. I don't want the Yankees spending 100 million for us. Obviously we both would want a payroll floor but that's not happening but capping spending so the Yankees and Dodgers can't dominate everyone in player acquisitions on the free market is something I, and I would imagine you, would want. I don't mind capping spending. Capping spending at $215 million and taking draft picks away for going over is insane though. There's a number where it makes sense for sure. The players suggested $245 million and that seems reasonable to me.
February 23, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't mind capping spending. Capping spending at $215 million and taking draft picks away for going over is insane though. There's a number where it makes sense for sure. The players suggested $245 million and that seems reasonable to me. What would be nice is not having a salary floor, but having certain thresholds where if you spend too low of an amount you lose draft picks and intl spending
February 23, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, bmags said: What would be nice is not having a salary floor, but having certain thresholds where if you spend too low of an amount you lose draft picks and intl spending This would be great. No way they get 23 votes on that though haha.
February 23, 20224 yr What is the cap issue exactly? Higher cap means a spending floor? Because if teams could spend more without a floor, it wouldn't really matter for the teams that already don't spend, right?. I feel like teams like the Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, etc would spend up to a bigger cap of say, that proposed $245 mill. Edited February 23, 20224 yr by Bob Sacamano
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