9 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I don't even want to play out a 2012 Bulls parallel for the 2022 Sox.  That was franchise altering...

Nobody is making that comparison for that reason. They're making the comparison because it was a very good team that everyone knew would lose to Miami before Rose got injured. IIRC after that injury they didn't even get out of the 1st round. 

Similarly, there are a number of AL teams that are likely to take the Sox down. If the Sox were in the AL East they'd finish anywhere from 3rd to last place, but you could say that about every AL contender other than the AL East top 4. My opinion is that the top 4 teams in the AL East will win 85+ games, and they'll be bunched together between 85-92 wins because they'll all beat up on each other in division play. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nobody is making that comparison for that reason. They're making the comparison because it was a very good team that everyone knew would lose to Miami before Rose got injured. IIRC after that injury they didn't even get out of the 1st round. 

Similarly, there are a number of AL teams that are likely to take the Sox down. If the Sox were in the AL East they'd finish anywhere from 3rd to last place. 

Oh boy here we go 

We were among the worst teams in baseball in terms of RF production and if it weren’t for Sheets we would have probably been the worst team in baseball. Even after, something absolutely nobody saw coming, signing a washed Adam Eaton didn’t work. 
We didn‘t have a starting 2B.

Our best pitcher per IP also left.

 

No one:

 

Rick Hahn: Here are two relievers and two utility players. Enjoy the season, suckers!

8 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nobody is making that comparison for that reason. They're making the comparison because it was a very good team that everyone knew would lose to Miami before Rose got injured. IIRC after that injury they didn't even get out of the 1st round. 

Similarly, there are a number of AL teams that are likely to take the Sox down. If the Sox were in the AL East they'd finish anywhere from 3rd to last place, but you could say that about every AL contender other than the AL East top 4. My opinion is that the top 4 teams in the AL East will win 85+ games, and they'll be bunched together between 85-92 wins because they'll all beat up on each other in division play. 

 

Basketball is absolutely nothing like baseball.

I also like the implication that the Orioles could be better than the Sox.

10 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nobody is making that comparison for that reason. They're making the comparison because it was a very good team that everyone knew would lose to Miami before Rose got injured. IIRC after that injury they didn't even get out of the 1st round. 

Similarly, there are a number of AL teams that are likely to take the Sox down. If the Sox were in the AL East they'd finish anywhere from 3rd to last place, but you could say that about every AL contender other than the AL East top 4. My opinion is that the top 4 teams in the AL East will win 85+ games, and they'll be bunched together between 85-92 wins because they'll all beat up on each other in division play. 

 

Fairly certain you're the only one making these comparisons, but I remember having a fair amount of confidence in the 2012 Bulls until that fateful game.  The rest of what you're trying to say, I'm not even going to try to unpack.  I just don't care.

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3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Basketball is absolutely nothing like baseball.

Baseball is nowhere near as chalky as basketball, but the Sox have had problems with other good teams for 2 seasons now. They are and have been bum slayers. I wonder if they will win as many games as they did last year even with a full season of Robert and Eloy just because the rest of the ALC got better. 87+ wins should still be enough to win the ALC but there probably won't be any 95 loss teams in the division this year. 

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• Sean Manaea’s fastball sat at 88 to 90 mph.

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In the past few years, velocity has been a hot topic of discussion with Manaea. Showing off a mid-90s fastball earlier in his career, the 30-year-old lefty has seen that speed fluctuate more recently. There are times when he can still dial it up to around 92-94 mph. On Thursday, his fastball sat between 88-90 mph

Where Manaea’s velocity is on a given day can vary. He’s learned to deal with the decreased velocity over time by focusing on the improvement of his command, emerging as one of the better control pitchers in the game. Last season, Manaea averaged 2.06 walks per nine innings, which ranked sixth-best among qualified American League starting pitchers.

When Manaea broke out last season (9.7 K/9), his fastball averaged 92.2 mph. While is velocity may come back up, it’s worth monitoring.

 

 

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

Baseball is nowhere near as chalky as basketball, but the Sox have had problems with other good teams for multiple seasons now. 

If you think that the playoffs in baseball prove anything,  I don’t know what to,say.

 

Or does anyone really believe Atlantic was the best team in baseball last year?

5 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said:

We were among the worst teams in baseball in terms of RF production and if it weren’t for Sheets we would have probably been the worst team in baseball. Even after, something absolutely nobody saw coming, signing a washed Adam Eaton didn’t work. 
We didn‘t have a starting 2B.

Our best pitcher per IP also left.

 

No one:

 

Rick Hahn: Here are two relievers and two utility players. Enjoy the season, suckers!

11 games at .237/.231/.553/.783 weren't a big deal last year.  The funny thing is if we want to overreact to SSS, his DH #'s were .310/.395/.690/1.085

 

13 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nobody is making that comparison for that reason. They're making the comparison because it was a very good team that everyone knew would lose to Miami before Rose got injured. IIRC after that injury they didn't even get out of the 1st round. 

Similarly, there are a number of AL teams that are likely to take the Sox down. If the Sox were in the AL East they'd finish anywhere from 3rd to last place, but you could say that about every AL contender other than the AL East top 4. My opinion is that the top 4 teams in the AL East will win 85+ games, and they'll be bunched together between 85-92 wins because they'll all beat up on each other in division play. 

 

The Sox could finish behind the Orioles?  This is why no one takes you seriously.

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The Sox could finish behind the Orioles?  This is why no one takes you seriously.

No silly, but they could finish behind the Yankees, Rays, Jays and Sawx if they had to play those 4 teams 19 times each.

When I said that I was making the assumption that you were swapping the Sox for Orioles.  

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19 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nobody is making that comparison for that reason. They're making the comparison because it was a very good team that everyone knew would lose to Miami before Rose got injured. IIRC after that injury they didn't even get out of the 1st round. 

Similarly, there are a number of AL teams that are likely to take the Sox down. If the Sox were in the AL East they'd finish anywhere from 3rd to last place, but you could say that about every AL contender other than the AL East top 4. My opinion is that the top 4 teams in the AL East will win 85+ games, and they'll be bunched together between 85-92 wins because they'll all beat up on each other in division play. 

 

The Bulls absolutely could have beaten the Heat with a healthy Rose.

22 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nobody is making that comparison for that reason. They're making the comparison because it was a very good team that everyone knew would lose to Miami before Rose got injured. IIRC after that injury they didn't even get out of the 1st round. 

Similarly, there are a number of AL teams that are likely to take the Sox down. If the Sox were in the AL East they'd finish anywhere from 3rd to last place, but you could say that about every AL contender other than the AL East top 4. My opinion is that the top 4 teams in the AL East will win 85+ games, and they'll be bunched together between 85-92 wins because they'll all beat up on each other in division play. 

 

No no no no.

2011 Bulls = 2021 White Sox, good (in Bulls case, great) team that makes the playoff. Gets stomped by conference/league champ.

IN THE OFFSEASON HAS A GLARING WEAKNESS (SG/RF). Bulls addressed, White Sox do not.

2012 Bulls were the best team in the league by a shit ton of conventional and advanced metrics. Then Rose and Noah get hurt, of course they didn't get out of the first without their two best players. The Bulls were primed for an ECF rematch that year.

BACK TO THE WHITE SOX

Obviously the botched this offseason, but they'll (most likely barring catastrophe) get to the playoffs. Last season we were all banking on Keuchel being the #2 and figured Rodon would be a swingman at best. Weird shit happens. This is still an incredibly talented team that can make big noise this year and would not finish remotely near last place in the AL East.

2 minutes ago, KrankinSox said:

The Bulls absolutely could have beaten the Heat with a healthy Rose.

Lol. 

24 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

 

The Cards giving Pujols a roster spot at this point is pretty sentimental. And probably not so productive.

3 minutes ago, Quin said:

No no no no.

2011 Bulls = 2021 White Sox, good (in Bulls case, great) team that makes the playoff. Gets stomped by conference/league champ.

IN THE OFFSEASON HAS A GLARING WEAKNESS (SG/RF). Bulls addressed, White Sox do not.

2012 Bulls were the best team in the league by a shit ton of conventional and advanced metrics. Then Rose and Noah get hurt, of course they didn't get out of the first without their two best players. The Bulls were primed for an ECF rematch that year.

BACK TO THE WHITE SOX

Obviously the botched this offseason, but they'll (most likely barring catastrophe) get to the playoffs. Last season we were all banking on Keuchel being the #2 and figured Rodon would be a swingman at best. Weird shit happens. This is still an incredibly talented team that can make big noise this year and would not finish remotely near last place in the AL East.

Sure, they were primed for an ECF rematch that year, which they would have lost. It wouldn't have been particularly close either. 

The regular season means nothing in the NBA. 

Back to the Sox, they're bumslayers until they prove otherwise. Just like the 2022 Bulls. 

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9 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

No silly, but they could finish behind the Yankees, Rays, Jays and Sawx if they had to play those 4 teams 19 times each.

When I said that I was making the assumption that you were swapping the Sox for Orioles.  

That was never actually said, but sure.  Go on.

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

That was never actually said, but sure.  Go on.

C'mon, nobody with a brain would think that the Sox would finish behind the goddamn Orioles. Get a grip. 

You obviously knew what I meant. 

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52 minutes ago, Quin said:

Keith Bogans will be the RF.

Also, this sucks cause if anything, last year's team should have been the 2011 Bulls. RF should have been Rip Hamilton. The 2012 Bulls were the #1 team in the NBA that season and could have won it all.

 

42 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I don't even want to play out a 2012 Bulls parallel for the 2022 Sox.  That was franchise altering...

If anything, I see Andrew Vaughn starting in RF as more akin to a 6'4 Javonte Green starting at power forward for most of the 2022 Bulls' season. Both good players that serve a purpose, but just aren't capable of fulfilling the role they're being placed in

Just now, Jose Abreu said:

 

If anything, I see Andrew Vaughn starting in RF as more akin to a 6'4 Javonte Green starting at power forward for most of the 2022 Bulls' season. Both good players that serve a purpose, but just aren't capable of fulfilling the role they're being placed in

And also the 2022 Bulls record vs top teams in comparison to the Sox last year. 

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

And also the 2022 Bulls record vs top teams in comparison to the Sox last year. 

Yup, although I still don't think that mattered for the Sox. Atlanta won the World Series, and they, too, were under .500 against winning teams in the regular season.

 

Obviously the Sox still had many areas to improve upon, and didn't improve any of them over the offseason, but I hesitate to point to their regular season performance against good teams as an important indicator given Atlanta's run

5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nobody with a brain would think that the Sox would finish behind the goddamn Orioles. Get a grip. 

You obviously knew what I meant. 

With your propensity for overraction and theatrics, it was not a benefit of the doubt I would give you.

In reality there are no real parallels between the teams fortunes, so arguing over comparisons and conflations is pretty silly.