By a country mile

Abreu finally digs one out there in a key situation.

He's out.

Santana got that last call due to his rep for knowledge of the strike zone over his career.

Nice win, but we really need to score more than 3 runs. 

OUT! nice inning for Liam. Good win. 

Another easy win. We own the AL Central.

This Royals team is ATROCIOUS

2 minutes ago, Green Line said:

Another easy win. We own the AL Central.

Our record against the AL Central this year really doesn't reflect that. It's the primary reason we're not in first place right now. 

Just now, GermanSoxFan said:

I just said that he was the team’s best hitter last year and now is just soumping badly and now you‘re talking about his catching siills. 
 

I think that’s what you call moving the goalposts. 

If you go only by OPS to measure hitters.

It's never going to be that simple.

On the 2022 White Sox, for example,  all those walks would simply end up with more runners clogging the basepaths and not being driven in by the bottom of the order.

And I also think he missed 30+ games...so he barely qualified and certainly Robert didn't in terms of plate appearances to constitute a full season.

If you say great hitter, it's always going to be Anderson and Robert, with Abreu trailing now due to age.

I mean, no actual player would say that if they were asked who was the best or most dangerous hitter on the Sox.  Hawk Harrelson or Stone would never say that, either.

1 minute ago, chw42 said:

Our record against the AL Central this year really doesn't reflect that. It's the primary reason we're not in first place right now. 

Lol.

1-4 against CLE.

0-3 against Twins.

3-2 against KC.

 

4-9 

We SHOULD own the Central, sure no argument there at all.

Just now, caulfield12 said:

Lol.

1-4 against CLE.

0-3 against Twins.

3-2 against KC.

 

4-9 

We SHOULD own the Central, sure no argument there at all.

2-1 against Detroit. We're now 6-10. Still really bad. 

6 minutes ago, almagest said:

This Royals team is ATROCIOUS

They definitely should finish below Tigers by end of the season...especially if Perez is banged up all year and Witt doesn't go on a tear.

Carlos Santana fwiw finally looks like toast at his age now too.

Merrifield finally coming out of a season long funk another aging veteran with a lot of wear and tear on his body from all those years in minors and stolen base attempts too.

2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

2-1 against Detroit. We're now 6-10. Still really bad. 

They have been so abysmal until this past week I almost forgot they existed.

Had to boot Torkelson off fantasy team long ago.  Pretty much no reason to think Riley Greene will come back from a long injury layoff and start raking.  Baez is still better for highlight reels than consistent offensive production.

5 minutes ago, chw42 said:

2-1 against Detroit. We're now 6-10. Still really bad. 

Right 10-6 and 9 games over .500 and clear of the Twins by well more than 1 1/2 because Minny would have lost at least 1 to the Sox if reversed.

We can just call it a comfortable 2 1/2 game lead...with CLE 3-4 games back.

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Right 10-6 and 9 games over .500 and clear of the Twins by well more than 1 1/2 because Minny would have lost at least 1 to the Sox if reversed.

We can just call it a comfortable 2 1/2 game lead...with CLE 3-4 games back.

We would be 9-7 had the bullpen not blown 3 very winnable games against Minnesota and Cleveland. If that was the case, we'd be 21-14 and 2.5 games up on the Twins. 

It's hard to ask the bullpen to be perfect, but not blowing a 8-2 lead isn't a lot to ask for. 

17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

If you go only by OPS to measure hitters.

It's never going to be that simple.

On the 2022 White Sox, for example,  all those walks would simply end up with more runners clogging the basepaths and not being driven in by the bottom of the order.

And I also think he missed 30+ games...so he barely qualified and certainly Robert didn't in terms of plate appearances to constitute a full season.

If you say great hitter, it's always going to be Anderson and Robert, with Abreu trailing now due to age.

I mean, no actual player would say that if they were asked who was the best or most dangerous hitter on the Sox.  Hawk Harrelson or Stone would never say that, either.

OPS .939

OPS+ 157

bWAR 3.7

oWAR 3.9 (at bref)

fWAR 3.7

wRC+ 159

xOBA .414

ISO .280

Nope, pretty much any stat shows he had a big time year.

28 minutes ago, pcq said:

The pride of the AL Central. 

Talk about damning them with faint praise!

30 minutes ago, almagest said:

This Royals team is ATROCIOUS

I remember way back when in mid April when a bunch of people were like the AL Central has really improved, the Royals and Tigers are a lot better, etc. No, this division still sucks. The Sox have played shitty and are still 1 game over .500 and 2.5 games out of first place. Everyone just needs to relax.

6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

I remember way back when in mid April when a bunch of people were like the AL Central has really improved, the Royals and Tigers are a lot better, etc. No, this division still sucks. The Sox have played shitty and are still 1 game over .500 and 2.5 games out of first place. Everyone just needs to relax.

Yeah, some really bad teams had good off seasons, but it wasn't enough to turn them into really good teams.  The gap is still there if the Sox start playing like their talent level.

41 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

OPS .939

OPS+ 157

bWAR 3.7

oWAR 3.9 (at bref)

fWAR 3.7

wRC+ 159

xOBA .414

ISO .280

Nope, pretty much any stat shows he had a big time year.

But that’s not the same thing as a “best/great” hitter.

When you have more hits than walks…you’re hitting less by definition to get on base.

It’s like saying Carlos Santana was the best hitter on one or two of those Indians teams when he was leasing the league in walks.

 

“Big time year” is also not the same as best hitter.  That was not the point being argued, either.

Gavin Sheets had a big time year for the Sox for his limited number of plate appearances.

Moncada had more fWAR and nobody would have called him our best hitter last year…not by a long shot.

He might be Moneyball’s best hitter, or Paul DePodesta’s, though.

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

But that’s not the same thing as a “best/great” hitter.

When you have more hits than walks…you’re hitting less by definition to get on base.

It’s like saying Carlos Santana was the best hitter on one or two of those Indians teams when he was leasing the league in walks.

 

“Big time year” is also not the same as best hitter.  That was not the point being argued, either.

Gavin Sheets had a big time year for the Sox for his limited number of plate appearances.

Moncada had more fWAR and nobody would have called him our best hitter last year…not by a long shot.

He might be Moneyball’s best hitter, or Paul DePodesta’s, though.

Despite listing 4 names and all kinds of non sequiturs, there is nothing in here to refute Grandal having a great 2021.

2 hours ago, JoshPR said:

Nicky Lopez being a pain in the culo today

On the only centered fastball of the inning? Coincidence?  Even Gordon remarked about his flat fastball.

2 hours ago, GermanSoxFan said:

best silder Liam has thrown all year

Liam is as good as his breaking stuff.

2 hours ago, chw42 said:

He's out. Should have been over the pitch before that. 

Ball don't lie. Thanks Stacey King.