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4 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

Dibs on Camenetti, Gwynn and Hoffman! 

Caminiti is quite dead.  Steroids related from all indications.

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Oops below!

 

 

"Padres expect to cap season-ticket sales for first time in 2023

The trade that brought Juan Soto and others to the Padres sparked a Wednesday sellout at Petco Park.

 

Surging fan interest in the Padres, accelerated by trade-deadline moves that included the addition of 23-year-old superstar Juan Soto, is expected to cause the franchise to implement the first season-ticket-sales cap in history.

CEO Erik Greupner told the Union-Tribune the club already has eclipsed the sales record of 18,808 established in 2004, the season Petco Park opened. New ticket requests for the 2023 season pushed that total to more than 20,200 since news of the Soto trade broke.

“The fan response has been exceptional,” Greupner said. “Right now, people are realizing, I don’t want to be on the outside looking in.”

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2022-08-04/padres-season-ticket-cap-juan-soto-trade-deadline-record-attendance

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"Well said the Padres have a festering situation that isn’t being addressed, It started with the groupie girlfriend he passed around with Clevinger and Bauer. Then he hurts himself, doesn’t even get medical attention or obviously take off-season bp. One can only rightly assume he was hoping to pass his physical and blame the injury on spring training. This is a team leader? What else Don’t we know about this guy.?. It was my hope the Pads if they were to trade for Soto would have swapped Tatis for him and used the other trade capital to take down Castillo instead of watching Seattle get him. Even before the latest this since Westgate Park fan has been thru with him and would never want him taking a guy like Kim out of our lineup or anyone else."

SDUnionTribune.com/sports

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Had to throw in the "groupies" angle as well to add to the salaciousness of it all.

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"The woman’s attorneys objected to dozens of Holley’s questions, but most were overruled by Judge Dianna Gould-Saltman. The judge allowed questions about the woman’s sexual relationships with San Diego Padres players Fernando Tatis Jr. and Mike Clevinger. Both players were mentioned in text messages sent by the woman to a cousin."

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2021-08-17/trevor-bauer-hearing-second-day-fernando-tatis-mike-clevinger

 

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34390882/san-diego-padres-star-fernando-tatis-suspended-80-games-here-everything-need-know

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1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Didn’t say that. My point is did the Padres really fleece Hahn if Tatis becomes a financial burden on the Padres for the next 12 years? Sounds like a lose-lose for both sides to me.

Your shoulders have to be EXHAUSTED at this point, no?

He’s 23 and shown to be an extraordinary talent. You’re trying to let Hahn off the hook for trading Tatis for James Shields….because the Padres gave him a ton of money? 
 

My goodness.

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6 hours ago, foxaparicio said:

Does this make Hahn any wiser ?..ha

You’d be surprised how many are using. It’s fairly easy to evade the testing protocol with the programs they use. Tatis probably just got lazy with it, there’s little excuse to get caught nowadays  

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1 hour ago, Chimpton said:

Can they use his PED use to void the contract?

Nope.  He won't be paid for the next 80 games though, which is only going to amount to about $3 million?at this point in his contract.

They might start having conversations about the motorcycle crashes and covering up his wrist injuries, but those were not prohibit originally.

Maybe they negotiated an agreement after not going after his signing bonus for the deal that was already paid out, something like $10 million...remember he owes a good chunk of that to an agency that invested in him and loaned him money earlier in his minor league career for a cut of future big league earnings.

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Nope.  He won't be paid for the next 80 games though, which is only going to amount to about $3 million?at this point in his contract.

They might start having conversations about the motorcycle crashes and covering up his wrist injuries, but those were not prohibit originally.

Maybe they negotiated an agreement after not going after his signing bonus for the deal that was already paid out, something like $10 million...remember he owes a good chunk of that to an agency that invested in him and loaned him money earlier in his minor league career for a cut of future big league earnings.

Thanks, I am sure the Padres wouldn't want to terminate his contract but it is interesting that it is not grounds for termination if they wanted.

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10 hours ago, SpringfieldFan said:

His statement says it was in treatment he took for ringworm and that he has always tested negative in the past.

 

 Not my dog but I’m inclined to believe him.

Got to give him credit for an imaginative excuse.

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18 minutes ago, ThirdGen said:

Its quite possible that the same player could be involved in one of the worst trades in history and one of the worst contracts in history.

ChiSoxFanMike says otherwise 

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10 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Didn’t say that. My point is did the Padres really fleece Hahn if Tatis becomes a financial burden on the Padres for the next 12 years? Sounds like a lose-lose for both sides to me.

Not a big Tatis fan but I gotta think he was taking it this year to help him to get back onto the field. Dude already secured $340 mill. Think he’s still the same caliber player that he was.

 

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2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Not a big Tatis fan but I gotta think he was taking it this year to help him to get back onto the field. Dude already secured $340 mill. Think he’s still the same caliber player that he was.

 

The crazy thing is that Tatis’ contract runs out in 12 years, which is his age 35 season,

That’s the FIRST year that Bonds is acknowledged to be regularly doping (first tried in 1997), after the McGwire/Sosa home run chase of 1998 when he played third wheel or fiddle.

 

From 1986-1998, his age 22-34 seasons, Bonds put up 99.2 fWAR for an AVERAGE of 7.6 per season.

He was already a HoFer then.

In 1999, his stolen bases dramatically declined from 28 to 15 and he was barely recognizable 2-3 years later.

That was also his first season of negative defense.

His first steroids year, in 1999, at age 35, only a 3.3 fWAR.

From 2000-2004, ages 36-40, an age when almost no position players can survive today…7.6, 12.5, 12.2, 10.7 and 11.9 seasons.

Basically an average of 11.0 fWAR, which amounted to a 45% boost from his first 13 seasons…those so called prime playing years.

Then ages 41-43 he finally fell apart, 0.7 but still a quite respectable 3.2 and 3.2 at 42-43.


Tatis has 13.7 fWAR through his age 23 season, including 81 homers.

Which amounts to two full seasons of around 6.8 fWAR, not all that far off the Bonds fWAR average for ages 22-34.

So if we correct downwards by that 45% Bonds boost, he’s a 4.7 fWAR player instead.

 

Steroids alone can’t account for his additional height/leverage, exit velocity, that much of an increase in sprint speed and throwing the ball from 91-97 mph from the SS position.  In fact, most players that bulk up tend to lose speed.

That’s assuming he has been using regularly from age 15 to 16 and just got caught by chance…instead of first using them this past offseason for helping to deal with shoulder and wrist pain in order to get back on the field as quickly as possible.  The initial prognosis was a return the first week of June, and he was roughly 2 1/2 months behind that timeframe from March/April.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/fernando-tatis-jr-28791/

He doesn’t hit Moncada $25ish million salary ranges until his age 28 and 29 seasons, just like Yoan is near to reaching.

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By comparison, if we extrapolate 1 1/2 seasons of Luis Robert as he just turned 25, based on 600 at bats as one season and 1200 as two…we’d get Luis Robert at 9.6 fWAR, or almost the exact same 4.8 fWAR number as Tatis with a -45% correction.

But Tatis still maintains the 13.7 to 7.0 fWAR head start for now…with roughly a year and a third of age difference.  8.0 if you give Robert an additional 1.0 for the rest of the season, although that’s far from a certainty at this point.

 

It will be fascinating to see who comes out ahead career-wise in fWAR.  Could totally go either way.

By the way, the Padres will have paid (including signing bonus of $10 million for new “statue” deal) about $20 million total through the end of next season for Tatis.

That has a value of $100+ million in production, not counting publicity/advertising/marketing/jersey and ticket sales…including the cap on season ticket sales for 2023.

 

Luis Robert will earn roughly the same $20.5 in career earnings through 2023.  But if you add another $26 million from his original signing bonus, it’s $46.5 million vs. Tatis’ $20.

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Wait, steroids doesn’t help you get faster?  Crap, all those hundreds of track and field runners who have been busted over the years really were dumb.  You’re making excuses for him like I would if a family member got busted doing something.  He’s a piece of shit.

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5 minutes ago, fathom said:

Wait, steroids doesn’t help you get faster?  Crap, all those hundreds of track and field runners who have been busted over the years really were dumb.  You’re making excuses for him like I would if a family member got busted doing something.  He’s a piece of shit.

“Of the 50 fastest men's 100m sprint times ever, only 15 have been run by an athlete NOT banned for drugs or subject to allegations of missed / failed drugs tests. All 15 were by Usain Bolt.”
 

Except you’re talking 0.1 or 0.15 or 0.2 seconds at most at that elitist of levels.

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https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/newsletter/2022-08-13/padres-daily-fernando-tatis-jr-teammates-fans-machado-musgrove-clevinger-soto-drury-bell-cronenworth-padres-daily


But this case might be different than a lot of other falls from grace. The higher someone is lifted, the further and harder they can fall. And Tatis, despite his well-deserved accolades, doesn’t have a ton of built-up collateral as cushion for the crash.

He is so wondrously talented, so charismatic and so likeable that he had already risen to a level of adoration rarely seen in San Diego. But what seems to have been driven home for people over the past several months is that he has a penchant for letting down his team and his town. 

By the time his suspension is over, he will have played in just 273 of the Padres’ 578 games (not counting the upcoming postseason) since he made his debut on opening day in 2019. That’s 47 percent. Injuries aren’t his fault, but injury isn’t all that has kept him off the field.

Yesterday’s news, of course, follows the revelation on the first day of spring training that Tatis had fractured his wrist in a motorcycle spill and would require surgery and miss multiple months at the start of the season. 

Where there was a significant willingness to set aside one mistake as a learning experience, there was far less yesterday. “The second time we’ve been disappointed with him,” pitcher Mike Clevinger said last night. “You hope he grows up and learns from this and learns it’s about more than just him.”

For as strong as those words were, what was perhaps most striking yesterday was the tone struck by Padres President of Baseball Operations A.J. Preller. He loves Tatis. This clearly hurt and angered Preller.….

A lot of us should be thankful we didn’t get massive amounts of money and fame in our early 20s. We wouldn’t have handled it well. But we can have empathy for Tatis and still say say he really messed up. To whom much is given, much is expected. 

For whatever other things could possibly be gleaned from Preller’s heartfelt remarks last night, including that the team is going to take a hard look at how Tatis handled his offseason, it should not be overlooked that Preller ended on a somewhat softer note in which he was sure to praise a young man.

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Tatis showed his true colors to me last year with his horrendous body language while the Padres were fading at the end of the year.  Dairy Queen really nailed their baseball reps this year.

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

The crazy thing is that Tatis’ contract runs out in 12 years, which is his age 35 season,

That’s the FIRST year that Bonds is acknowledged to be regularly doping (first tried in 1997), after the McGwire/Sosa home run chase of 1998 when he played third wheel or fiddle.

 

From 1986-1998, his age 22-34 seasons, Bonds put up 99.2 fWAR for an AVERAGE of 7.6 per season.

He was already a HoFer then.

In 1999, his stolen bases dramatically declined from 28 to 15 and he was barely recognizable 2-3 years later.

That was also his first season of negative defense.

His first steroids year, in 1999, at age 35, only a 3.3 fWAR.

From 2000-2004, ages 36-40, an age when almost no position players can survive today…7.6, 12.5, 12.2, 10.7 and 11.9 seasons.

Basically an average of 11.0 fWAR, which amounted to a 45% boost from his first 13 seasons…those so called prime playing years.

Then ages 41-43 he finally fell apart, 0.7 but still a quite respectable 3.2 and 3.2 at 42-43.


Tatis has 13.7 fWAR through his age 23 season, including 81 homers.

Which amounts to two full seasons of around 6.8 fWAR, not all that far off the Bonds fWAR average for ages 22-34.

So if we correct downwards by that 45% Bonds boost, he’s a 4.7 fWAR player instead.

 

Steroids alone can’t account for his additional height/leverage, exit velocity, that much of an increase in sprint speed and throwing the ball from 91-97 mph from the SS position.  In fact, most players that bulk up tend to lose speed.

That’s assuming he has been using regularly from age 15 to 16 and just got caught by chance…instead of first using them this past offseason for helping to deal with shoulder and wrist pain in order to get back on the field as quickly as possible.  The initial prognosis was a return the first week of June, and he was roughly 2 1/2 months behind that timeframe from March/April.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/fernando-tatis-jr-28791/

He doesn’t hit Moncada $25ish million salary ranges until his age 28 and 29 seasons, just like Yoan is near to reaching.

I can't imagine spending so much time shitting on a White Sox player just to make a steroid cheat look better. 

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12 hours ago, Tony said:

Your shoulders have to be EXHAUSTED at this point, no?

He’s 23 and shown to be an extraordinary talent. You’re trying to let Hahn off the hook for trading Tatis for James Shields….because the Padres gave him a ton of money? 
 

My goodness.

Except that Shields has been a non-factor for years. The Padres have to deal with this mess for another 12 years :)

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