November 4, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Seager cleared $300 mill. Turner will too. 3 minutes ago, chw42 said: Turner is 2 years older. He might not get the 10 year deal Seager got just because of age. Link in post directly above this has him at $275 million.
November 4, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: There don't seem to be any pieces at all regarding his injury, but the insiders and free agent rankers are starting to come out and they seem to think he's available. Here's Keith Law over at the Athletic, Conforto comes in 49th out of 50 free agents. https://theathletic.com/3751518/2022/11/02/top-50-mlb-free-agents-predictions/ Here is an article today projecting contract terms and they have Conforto as 1 year, $14 million (they have Nimmo at 7/$145 by the way) https://www.nj.com/yankees/2022/11/mlb-insider-reveals-projected-contract-terms-for-top-yankees-mets-free-agents-aaron-judge-jacob-degrom-more.html Here's a top 30 by Heyman at the New York post, including contract estimates. He also has Conforto estimated at 1 year, $14 million. Also no suggestion that his injury will prevent him from signing. https://nypost.com/2022/11/03/major-league-baseball-ranking-top-30-free-agents/ Same numbers for Nimmo, 7/$145, and has Benintendi at 4 years, $56 million. wow. Give me those Conforto numbers over either of tose other OF any day of the week.
November 4, 20223 yr One surprise to me in that Heyman projection piece: Quote Jose Abreu: White Sox got him on bargain last time. Great leader. Teams: White Sox, Giants, Rangers. Expert: $75M, 3 years.
November 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: One surprise to me in that Heyman projection piece: No team is gonna give Jose $75 million at age 36. That's just throwing money away.
November 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, chw42 said: No team is gonna give Jose $75 million at age 36. That's just throwing money away. He might get $25 million a year, but probably for one year or maybe one year plus an option.
November 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, hogan873 said: He might get $25 million a year, but probably for one year or maybe one year plus an option. I don’t even think he’s coming close to $25 mill/year. Edited November 4, 20223 yr by Bob Sacamano
November 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Springfield Soxfan said: Preparing for the pounding that will ensue; however, I am DREAMING of Trea Turner to play 2b. Was hoping Sox would have drafted him over Rodon. No reason not to want amazing players on the sox. I couldn't believe we let turner get traded without being the top team rumored the entire time, especially considering what happened with Madrigal. Big missed opportunity. But yeah, there's no chance now.
November 4, 20223 yr 37 minutes ago, chw42 said: No team is gonna give Jose $75 million at age 36. That's just throwing money away. If Jose gets $75 million, Trey Turner is getting 500m.
November 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: One surprise to me in that Heyman projection piece: I’ve already accepted it’s time to move on from Jose but any team willing to give him that contract is legit insane.
November 4, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Springfield Soxfan said: Preparing for the pounding that will ensue; however, I am DREAMING of Trea Turner to play 2b. Was hoping Sox would have drafted him over Rodon. If they did want to sign Turner, I think they’d trade Anderson. That won’t happen either, but I think that’s more likely than keeping both, especially with Anderson getting closer to free agency.
November 4, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: wow. Give me those Conforto numbers over either of tose other OF any day of the week. Agreed. This is far superior to the others. Nimmo at 7/145 is ridiculous. Sign Conforto to 1 year put him in LF. Profit.
November 4, 20223 yr Conforto is going to get more than anticipated, which means the typical seat at the table line.
November 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, ShoeLessRob said: Conforto is going to get more than anticipated, which means the typical seat at the table line. I’d expect a multi year with an opt out after next season. Something like Rodon got with the Giants.
November 4, 20223 yr 46 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: Conforto is going to get more than anticipated, which means the typical seat at the table line. I doubt he gets more than one year deal with a player option and even that might be pushing it. Dude hasn’t put up a productive season in two years.
November 4, 20223 yr Author 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I doubt he gets more than one year deal with a player option and even that might be pushing it. Dude hasn’t put up a productive season in two years. I am thinking 1/$12-14M, with a $20M team option with $3M buyout. So $15-17M guaranteed.
November 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: I am thinking 1/$12-14M, with a $20M team option with $3M buyout. So $15-17M guaranteed. Yeah, that probably feels more realistic than what I suggested.
November 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am thinking 1/$12-14M, with a $20M team option with $3M buyout. So $15-17M guaranteed. If we sign Conforto for $14M and let Abreu walk, we’d still have around $15M to sign another SP, right? Then let the young guys battle for the 2B job.
November 4, 20223 yr Author 11 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: If we sign Conforto for $14M and let Abreu walk, we’d still have around $15M to sign another SP, right? Then let the young guys battle for the 2B job. Depends on who you ask, but yeah, Sox should have somewhere between $25-30M AVV to spend on the 2023 roster to stay under$200M, and around where they were were this past season.
November 4, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: If we sign Conforto for $14M and let Abreu walk, we’d still have around $15M to sign another SP, right? Then let the young guys battle for the 2B job. Conforto + Senga would be my main adds. I’d look to deal Leury and see if I can find a player with little value who better fits the roster. Brad Miller would be risky, but would make more sense for our team if we decide to go young at 2B.
November 4, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am thinking 1/$12-14M, with a $20M team option with $3M buyout. So $15-17M guaranteed. I would think being a Boras client he would be more likely to have a player option than team option.
November 4, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: If we sign Conforto for $14M and let Abreu walk, we’d still have around $15M to sign another SP, right? Then let the young guys battle for the 2B job. If the MLBTradeRumors arbitration numbers are correct, the White Sox are at $172-$173 million. Spotrac agrees with this number, assuming they let Engel go. Their payroll last year was about $195 million. If they don't increase their payroll, and they spend $14 million on Conforto, they'd have about $8 million left for a pitcher, give or take exact arbitration numbers. A $15 million pitcher means they need to boost their payroll up over $200 million.
November 4, 20223 yr Author 28 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: If we sign Conforto for $14M and let Abreu walk, we’d still have around $15M to sign another SP, right? Then let the young guys battle for the 2B job. I am sure Balta will tell you his numbers are better, but I have it more like $168.8M at the moment, not including signing bonuses spread across multiple years, a differed $1M due to Abreu, etc. True salary is $168.8M. I also believe Sox final 2022 payroll was $197M. Guaranteed Lynn - $18.5M Grandal - $18.25M Moncada - $17M Hendriks - $14M Pollock - $13M (player option with $5M buyout) Anderson - $12.5M (team option) Jimenez - $9.5M Robert - $9.5M Kelly - $9M Graveman - $8M Garcia - $5.5M Bummer - $3.75M Diekman - $3.5M *This assumes White Sox turn down Harrison's $5.5M team option* *Other impending FA's include Abreu, Cueto, Valasquez, and Andrus* TOTAL GUARANTEED = $142M Arbitration Eligible *updated based on MLBTR projections* Cease (arb 1) - $5.3M Kopech (arb 1) - $2.2M Mendick (arb 1) - $1M Giolito (arb 3) - $10.8M Lopez (arb 3) - $3.3M Engel (arb 3) - NON TENDER (MLBTR projection of $2.3M) Ruiz (arb 1) - NON TENDER (MLBTR projection of $1M) Crochet (pre-arb) - $700k Gonzalez (pre-arb) - $700k Lambert (pre-arb) - $700k Sheets (pre-arb) - $700k Vaughn (pre-arb) - $700k Zavala (pre-arb) - $700k TOTAL ARB = $26.8M; TOTAL PAYROLL = $168.8M The White Sox 2022 payroll was ~$197M, so this gives the Sox around $30M to spend to match 2022 payroll
November 4, 20223 yr Things being missed: The minimum salary is $720,000, not $700,000. This totals an extra $120k for the players listed. Only 24 players are included. This is an extra $1.44 million not being counted, although that can be shifted to other guys if someone is signed. $1 million in deferred money to Abreu. $197 million is the payroll last year - if you are counting things like Moncada's signing bonus, Pollock's signing bonus as part of last year's salary. Or, alternatively, it looks that high if you count guys like Romy as receiving a full year's salary, when they only receive a portion of the years' salary. If you total up everyone that they spent big league money on, it comes out around $190 million without the signing bonuses.
November 4, 20223 yr Jose Abreu 18 Lance Lynn 18.5 Yasmani Grandal 18.25 AJ Pollock 11.5 Yoan Moncada 13 Liam Hendriks 13 Kendall Graveman 8 Lucas Giolito 7.45 Eloy Jimenez 6.5 Joe Kelly 7 Leury Garcia 5.5 Josh Harrison 4 Johnny Cueto 3.2 Vincent Velaszquez 3 Reynaldo Lopez 2.625 Aaron Bummer 2.5 Adam Engel 2 Jake Diekman 1.23 Dylan Cease 0.75 Jose Ruiz 0.72 Andrew Vaughn 0.715 Gavin Sheets 0.671 Jimmy Lambert 0.48 Davis Martin 0.2 Romy Gonzalez 0.188 Elvis Andrus 0.184 Carlos Perez 0.069 Mark Payton 0.053 Tim Anderson 9.5 Luis Robert 6 Kyle Crick 1.25 Michael Kopech 0.73 Garret Crochet 0.715 Jonathan Stiever 0.7 Danny Mendick 0.67 Seby Zabala 0.44 Dallas Keuchel 18 Reese McGuire 0.468 Ryan Burr 0.187 Yermin Mercedes 0.15 Matt Foster 0.539 Tanner Banks 0.503 Jake Burger 0.396 Haseley 0.1 Lenyn Sosa 0.065 Nicholas Padilla 0.7 Bennett Sousa 0.28 Anderson Severino 0.076 190.754 Signign bonuses: Pollock: $3 million Abreu: $1.68 Million Moncada: $800k Hendriks: $333k Jimenez: $833k If you count those as part of the 2022 payroll to get up to looking like $197 million, then this must be added to the 2023 payroll: Mondada: $800k Hendriks $333K Jimenez $833K (an extra just under $2 million)
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