White Sox Mgr Speculation Thread

[Jerksticks]

41 minutes ago, JoeC said:

Ozzie would have been OK for me as a midseason replacement to get the players’ asses in gear. I think he would have provided enough of a kick in the pants to get the team on track in the short term.

An a permanent manager? No way.

Pretty sure this is exactly how I feel.  Well said

[35thstreetswarm]

I was 1000% team Bochy two years ago and still think he was the right hire at the time.  I'd still be good with him but I am a little concerned that this team may need to truly exorcise the demons of the TLR era, and not sure another pedigreed old dude could do that.  I'd be good with Jirschele or another young, up-and-coming out-of-the-box hire.

Just no cheaters, please.

[soxfaninfl]

28 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Pretty sure this is exactly how I feel.  Well said

I am sure there are a lot of 'no Ozzie's' out there and probably in the FO, but I don't think he would be the worst hire. Not the best either.  From the top, I will say I prefer Alomar first, Bochy second for a few reasons.

I feel this may be a hard hire and sell. For one, it will be a high profile hire but there is pressure here and probably little patience. Tough job for a new manager. No 3-year rebuilding plan here. Win now or...

I also hear a lot of comments about the manager changing the operating culture. That is not going to happen, not with these egos in the FO. To me, the foremost attribute a new manager must bring is a winning attitude and building a winning culture with this current team. Work hard, play hard so our talent does overwhelm the rest of the division. We spent the entire year acting as if talent alone will win out in the end. It didn't. Just play the game right. TLR's biggest mistake was letting injuries dictate how players were going to play.

A lot of over-sized personalities on this team too. Need a manager with one too. A little swagger doesn't hurt.

Butts in the seats. The absolute Achilles heel of this organization. JR is a lot of things but he is a businessman and I do believe he understands this need. Outside of the Abreu decision, this may be the biggest offseason acquisition that may create a buzz around the team. Maybe they can pull off an amazing trade? Doesn't really matter. After two years of TLR and 'fire Tony' chants, the Sox are a tough environment for any manager. Sox' managing history does not help either. The Renteria fire is only two years ago and I don't think the Sox have really ever valued the manager position. Just look at the hires...

This is win now. I cannot emphasize that enough. From TV contracts to stadium leases to the disappointing 2022 campaign, this team has little wiggle room. Win now or go home. What manager is going to live up to that requirement? Honestly, I am not sure there is one.

 

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, soxfaninfl said:

I am sure there are a lot of 'no Ozzie's' out there and probably in the FO, but I don't think he would be the worst hire. Not the best either.  From the top, I will say I prefer Alomar first, Bochy second for a few reasons.

 

I also hear a lot of comments about the manager changing the operating culture. That is not going to happen, not with these egos in the FO.

 

Please note that this is a reason that specifically demonstrates why Ozzie Guillen would be a bad fit.

Unfortunately I have to agree, he wouldn't be the worst hire, as I will never again get to say that anyone would be the worst possible hire after what was observed in 2020. That was and will forever be the worst hire I have ever seen in baseball. Bobby Valentine Red Sox 2012 is up there with that. 

[joejoesox]

3 minutes ago, soxfaninfl said:

I am sure there are a lot of 'no Ozzie's' out there and probably in the FO, but I don't think he would be the worst hire. Not the best either.  From the top, I will say I prefer Alomar first, Bochy second for a few reasons.

I feel this may be a hard hire and sell. For one, it will be a high profile hire but there is pressure here and probably little patience. Tough job for a new manager. No 3-year rebuilding plan here. Win now or...

I also hear a lot of comments about the manager changing the operating culture. That is not going to happen, not with these egos in the FO. To me, the foremost attribute a new manager must bring is a winning attitude and building a winning culture with this current team. Work hard, play hard so our talent does overwhelm the rest of the division. We spent the entire year acting as if talent alone will win out in the end. It didn't. Just play the game right. TLR's biggest mistake was letting injuries dictate how players were going to play.

A lot of over-sized personalities on this team too. Need a manager with one too. A little swagger doesn't hurt.

Butts in the seats. The absolute Achilles heel of this organization. JR is a lot of things but he is a businessman and I do believe he understands this need. Outside of the Abreu decision, this may be the biggest offseason acquisition that may create a buzz around the team. Maybe they can pull off an amazing trade? Doesn't really matter. After two years of TLR and 'fire Tony' chants, the Sox are a tough environment for any manager. Sox' managing history does not help either. The Renteria fire is only two years ago and I don't think the Sox have really ever valued the manager position. Just look at the hires...

This is win now. I cannot emphasize that enough. From TV contracts to stadium leases to the disappointing 2022 campaign, this team has little wiggle room. Win now or go home. What manager is going to live up to that requirement? Honestly, I am not sure there is one.

 

there's a good reason why a lot of people are against OG coming back, he frankly quit on his own team after all of the negative media attention he constantly put on himself with his dumb ass comments

we can do better than OG

[flavum]

Mid season, Ozzie would have been a good Hail Mary attempt at salvaging this season. Now it has to be a new face/voice that brings in his own staff- and I mean everyone. The entire coaching staff has to go. If they’re good at what they do, they’ll get opportunities elsewhere. 

[soxfaninfl]

9 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

there's a good reason why a lot of people are against OG coming back, he frankly quit on his own team after all of the negative media attention he constantly put on himself with his dumb ass comments

we can do better than OG

 

10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Please note that this is a reason that specifically demonstrates why Ozzie Guillen would be a bad fit.

Unfortunately I have to agree, he wouldn't be the worst hire, as I will never again get to say that anyone would be the worst possible hire after what was observed in 2020. That was and will forever be the worst hire I have ever seen in baseball. Bobby Valentine Red Sox 2012 is up there with that. 

Ah, I get it. I am not advocating Ozzie for the job necessarily. 

Just too much hand-wringing about the next manager. I figure the FO will give this young core another year, maybe two, to get their act together. After that, who knows? Depends on results, I guess, but I also think it is likely we burn through another manager anyway. My way of saying the FO is the problem. Kenny and Hahn need to go before any meaningful change happens.

[southsider2k5]

28 minutes ago, soxfaninfl said:

I am sure there are a lot of 'no Ozzie's' out there and probably in the FO, but I don't think he would be the worst hire. Not the best either.  From the top, I will say I prefer Alomar first, Bochy second for a few reasons.

I feel this may be a hard hire and sell. For one, it will be a high profile hire but there is pressure here and probably little patience. Tough job for a new manager. No 3-year rebuilding plan here. Win now or...

I also hear a lot of comments about the manager changing the operating culture. That is not going to happen, not with these egos in the FO. To me, the foremost attribute a new manager must bring is a winning attitude and building a winning culture with this current team. Work hard, play hard so our talent does overwhelm the rest of the division. We spent the entire year acting as if talent alone will win out in the end. It didn't. Just play the game right. TLR's biggest mistake was letting injuries dictate how players were going to play.

A lot of over-sized personalities on this team too. Need a manager with one too. A little swagger doesn't hurt.

Butts in the seats. The absolute Achilles heel of this organization. JR is a lot of things but he is a businessman and I do believe he understands this need. Outside of the Abreu decision, this may be the biggest offseason acquisition that may create a buzz around the team. Maybe they can pull off an amazing trade? Doesn't really matter. After two years of TLR and 'fire Tony' chants, the Sox are a tough environment for any manager. Sox' managing history does not help either. The Renteria fire is only two years ago and I don't think the Sox have really ever valued the manager position. Just look at the hires...

This is win now. I cannot emphasize that enough. From TV contracts to stadium leases to the disappointing 2022 campaign, this team has little wiggle room. Win now or go home. What manager is going to live up to that requirement? Honestly, I am not sure there is one.

 

The biggest problem with Ozzie is Ozzie only cares about Ozzie.  Everyone and everything else is secondary.  All you have to do is look at him testifying for the job TV right now.  If it was about the Sox he could have went directly to JR and company in the background.  Instead every TV segment becomes about him and the White Sox.  It's all about the Ozzie show, and nothing else.

[South Side Hit Men]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The biggest problem with Ozzie is Ozzie only cares about Ozzie.  Everyone and everything else is secondary.  All you have to do is look at him testifying for the job TV right now.  If it was about the Sox he could have went directly to JR and company in the background.  Instead every TV segment becomes about him and the White Sox.  It's all about the Ozzie show, and nothing else.

I don't have cable, so don't watch regularly but have seen clips of him the past few days and agree with your assessment.

I believe Ozzie knows he will not be considered, and is saying what he is to stay relevant in his current career / TV role, perhaps announce interest in returning to managing for another organization (believe that ship has also sailed), and remain relevant in the public eye.

 

[The Kids Can Play]

1 hour ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

Why would this hypothetical team be looking for a new manager?  I mean, you're describing a world class, winning org.

I am assuming this is your facetious response. However that wasn't a list confirming a world class organization, but a checklist to see if enough areas could be checked off to warrant a stud veteran manager wanting this job. The harsh realty is there are not enough areas to check off for a great veteran manager to covet this job! The posted question was what great veteran manager would want this team, GM and owner? 

Btw, if you are sarcastically implying that checklist is impossible to achieve, go examine the Dodger organization...I'm pretty sure they check all the boxes on that list. 

 

 

[maloney.adam]

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by maloney.adam

[ShoeLessRob]

Let’s give Timo Perez a spot also, f*** it. 

[maloney.adam]

3 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said:

Let’s give Timo Perez a spot also, f*** it. 

Lets give Mike Wright Jr. the job and let him f*** up the bullpen while we’re at it. Lol

[soxfaninfl]

46 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The biggest problem with Ozzie is Ozzie only cares about Ozzie.  Everyone and everything else is secondary.  All you have to do is look at him testifying for the job TV right now.  If it was about the Sox he could have went directly to JR and company in the background.  Instead every TV segment becomes about him and the White Sox.  It's all about the Ozzie show, and nothing else.

My Lord, why did I invoke the name of Ozzie? If there is a lightning strike in the sky, it has Ozzie's name on it.

I am not in the Ozzie camp, just pointing out a lot of his qualities as a manager is what this team needs. As for Ozzie only caring about Ozzie (or any similar manager), who cares as long as the team wins? Any manager worth his salt these days has to have an ego and this team requires one. How else are you going to tell a bunch of players who make more money than you ever dreamt to do what needs to be done? Who is going to tell Yoan, for example, you have all the talent in the world but where is your head???

This team needs a jolt. If that puts me in the Ozzie camp, so be it. I still like others better.

[Balta1701]

Just now, soxfaninfl said:

My Lord, why did I invoke the name of Ozzie? If there is a lightning strike in the sky, it has Ozzie's name on it.

I am not in the Ozzie camp, just pointing out a lot of his qualities as a manager is what this team needs. As for Ozzie only caring about Ozzie (or any similar manager), who cares as long as the team wins? Any manager worth his salt these days has to have an ego and this team requires one. How else are you going to tell a bunch of players who make more money than you ever dreamt to do what needs to be done? Who is going to tell Yoan, for example, you have all the talent in the world but where is your head???

This team needs a jolt. If that puts me in the Ozzie camp, so be it. I still like others better.

Because last time his ego and behavior led to losses. 

[JoeC]

1 minute ago, soxfaninfl said:

My Lord, why did I invoke the name of Ozzie? If there is a lightning strike in the sky, it has Ozzie's name on it.

I am not in the Ozzie camp, just pointing out a lot of his qualities as a manager is what this team needs. As for Ozzie only caring about Ozzie (or any similar manager), who cares as long as the team wins? Any manager worth his salt these days has to have an ego and this team requires one. How else are you going to tell a bunch of players who make more money than you ever dreamt to do what needs to be done? Who is going to tell Yoan, for example, you have all the talent in the world but where is your head???

This team needs a jolt. If that puts me in the Ozzie camp, so be it. I still like others better.

Ozzie is what the 2022 team needed halfway through June.

Ozzie is not what a 2023 team needs before the season.

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, soxfaninfl said:

My Lord, why did I invoke the name of Ozzie? If there is a lightning strike in the sky, it has Ozzie's name on it.

I am not in the Ozzie camp, just pointing out a lot of his qualities as a manager is what this team needs. As for Ozzie only caring about Ozzie (or any similar manager), who cares as long as the team wins? Any manager worth his salt these days has to have an ego and this team requires one. How else are you going to tell a bunch of players who make more money than you ever dreamt to do what needs to be done? Who is going to tell Yoan, for example, you have all the talent in the world but where is your head???

This team needs a jolt. If that puts me in the Ozzie camp, so be it. I still like others better.

I am sure no one else thought to tell Yoan that he isn't playing well. 

[ShoeLessRob]

13 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

Lets give Mike Wright Jr. the job and let him f*** up the bullpen while we’re at it. Lol

Pablo Ozuna for third base coach. 

[ShoeLessRob]

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am sure no one else thought to tell Yoan that he isn't playing well. 

Sure but do you think anyone had the balls to tell him he’s Desastre Personal.

[The Kids Can Play]

6 hours ago, Dominikk85 said:

Jerry is definitely a turn off for high performers but I think overall the sox are still an attractive destination as they have issues but they still have a good core in a very winnable divison and in the end that is what matters for a manager, if you win it will help your career. 

I don't think many other open destinations will be as attractive as the sox. Sure the rangers have a solid farm system but they are also in a division with the astros and the recently emerged mariners and they still lack pitching, getting past third will be hard in that division. 

And the tigers are just a mess in every regard, their new gm in scott harris might be good but fixing all the mess will probably take a couple years and maybe even a second tear down where they trade the young guys (probably not next season but if 2023 fails too they might). Not a great situation there either for a good manager who wants to win now. 

I seriously do not think at the present moment the Sox destination is as attractive as you seem to suggest. If you want to compare us to the Rangers or Tigers as you are, then yes, it's more attractive than those two clubs. However I don't want to be like the Rangers or Tigers. I want my team to strive to be like the Dodgers, Astros, Braves, etc. (the very top tier teams.) This doesn't mean it cant be fixed and this team can be a championship contender, but its going to take a lot of work, luck and a brilliant GM, manager and coaching staff...which this team currently does not have.

The realty of why this team is not so attractive is simply the following:

1. Probably the worst owner in baseball.

2. Inept GM and front office.

3. Garbage farm system, currently 26th ranked. 

Records:

Low A - Kannapolis - W-L - 58-74
High A - Winston-Salem - W-L 58-74
AA - Birmingham - W-L - 61-77
AAA - Charlotte - W-L - 58-72

4. Going to finish season at either 82-80 or 81-81 in the worst division in MLB. Keep in mind the Sox were the 4th or 5th overall odds on favorite to win the WS by all betting sportsbooks.

5. Serious roster flaws and lack of pitching, hitting, scoring runs, baserunning, fundaments and defensive.

6. Little team payroll flexibility to spend money in 2023 to get the proper free agent talent, unless major trades are made. 

Having said all that, if you still think this club is the "glass half full", then god bless your loyal die-hard fandom, which I do respect, but don't agree with.

[Tnetennba]

Look how quickly Ozzie wore out his welcome in Miami.  A fucking decade ago.  He Has Not Managed Since.  There is no way to know if the Ozzie of old is still in there.   Ozzie is also all about Ozzie.  Frankly, its just not worth the risk.

[soxfaninfl]

9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Because last time his ego and behavior led to losses. 

His was not the only ego. Please, I don't want Ozzie. For one, I know he and KW cannot coexist peacefully. That's just not happening. 

[The Kids Can Play]

The MLB White Sox page posted this as 12 possible candidates for the Sox manager's position. 

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/potential-candidates-to-be-white-sox-manager-in-2023

I realize there might be others, but from reading this list the two younger ones I would like the Sox to look at seriously are:

Astros bench coach Joe Espada and Rays bench coach Matt Quatraro. Although I'm sure there are even more better candidates out there.

 

[Dick Allen]

I just think utlimately, unless a guy like Bochy or Maddon just blows them away, JR is going to shop in the aisle that requires a Ricky Renteria type paycheck. There may be someone good there, but that is what he does.

 

FWIW even with 3 WS titles, Bochy is below .500 with SD and SF in his career.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Dick Allen

[Balta1701]

14 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I just think utlimately, unless a guy like Bochy or Maddon just blows them away, JR is going to shop in the aisle that requires a Ricky Renteria type paycheck. There may be someone good there, but that is what he does.

 

FWIW even with 3 WS titles, Bochy is below .500 with SD and SF in his career.

I am genuinely ok with shopping around and strongly encourage it. Casting a wide net is exactly what they should do with this search and IMO may well be the most important part. 

I don't care as much if it's someone who has a white sox connection like Willie as I do that they did their homework and exhausted their options beforehand. This should be a detailed, involved, and difficult process. They should be losing sleep on this because they have so much to do and so many details to process, not the reverse as it has been the last several times.