fathom Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 6 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said: They scored 127 more runs in 2006 than in 2005. They didn’t lose because Aaron Rowand (who loved ripping the fans) was traded. Their pitching failed them. Having Mackowiak in CF didn’t help 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said: They scored 127 more runs in 2006 than in 2005. They didn’t lose because Aaron Rowand (who loved ripping the fans) was traded. Their pitching failed them. Yes they wore down in the second half as a staff due to playoff workload...Jenks struggled, then there was Mackowiak vs. Anderson and the Tigers/Twins were both absolutely on fire as well. Conference of factors evening out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 4/22/2025 at 4:58 PM, Texsox said: Transitioning media types into actual jobs hasn't been working too well recently in other areas. You’re talking about the president, right? Or JJ Redick? I’m curious who you might be referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 4/23/2025 at 2:10 PM, Tony said: The Sox are rebuilding, they're supposed to be bad!!!!!1111 There’s definitely room for optimism with this team compared to last season. There are several young guys at the moment developing into real players before our eyes, whereas last season was entirely a wash at the major league level. Sosa, Baldwin, Quero look like actual players and are fun to watch and root for. this is actually the year to tank, might get a proper draft pick, but the difference between this year and last year is just another year of the youngsters’ growth with a more few players added into the mix; and it feels like some of them took steps forward. I’m still thinking this season and last were better than the previous year. Firing Hahn/williams was the ultimate bandaid ripped off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Tanking doesn't do justice to 121 losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, nrockway said: There’s definitely room for optimism with this team compared to last season. There are several young guys at the moment developing into real players before our eyes, whereas last season was entirely a wash at the major league level. Sosa, Baldwin, Quero look like actual players and are fun to watch and root for. this is actually the year to tank, might get a proper draft pick, but the difference between this year and last year is just another year of the youngsters’ growth with a more few players added into the mix; and it feels like some of them took steps forward. I’m still thinking this season and last were better than the previous year. Firing Hahn/williams was the ultimate bandaid ripped off. Well-said. I'm taking the other side of this: this isn't the time to fire Getz. Yeah, he shouldn't have been hired in the first place; it looks like he botched the Fedde and Cease trades; Kopech part of the trade looks good and everything Crochet looks great. Still he's got to do better. And as far as the team goes, this probably is the sorriest collection of veteran position players assembled on a major league roster in the last 40 years (except for 2024). But what matters is Medroth and Quero sliding in, with more to come. Shane Smith and Vasil (no bench coach found him). And if JR fires Getz, it's not like he's going to hire the Guardians or Rays #2. More like a Bobby Evans type. Yuk. Getz is all we got. And I like our position over, say, the Twins right now. Edited April 25 by GreenSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) fWAR standings... 122. Vargas (positive fWAR defensively) 136. Luis Robert, Jr. 145. Marcus Semien 149. Tommy Pham 153. Andrew Vaughn Sosa the only qualified hitter not in negative numbers at 0.0, Thaiss 0.4 leads the team and Benintendi at 0.2 Amaya at -0.5 has JUST 50 at-bats or so, but is ONLY ahead of Jeimer Candelario, A.Vaughn, Nick Massey and Michael Toglia (Rockies). He BARELY has a positive defensive rating at +1.2. Amaya behind all of the following SS's defensively (12th in majors), when his offense makes him the worst overall... (List from fangraphs formatted correctly on my phone and didn't look the same one hour later.) Edited April 25 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 10 hours ago, DFAthewave69420 said: Is there an official Getz acquisition tracker? (probably missing some) Hits Cash Considerations Shane Smith Chase Meidroth Kyle Teel Braden Montgomery Cam Booser Mike Vasil Jury Still Out Matt Thaiss Miguel Vargas Jeral Perez Alexander Albertus William Bergolla Jared Shuster Drew Thrope Jairo Iriarte Samual Zavala Misses Mike Tauchman Austin Slater Nick Maton Mike Clevinger Nicky Lopez Mike Soroka Braden Shewmake Michael A Taylor Dominic Fletcher Steven Wilson Martin Perez Penn Murfee Zach DeLoach Might be somewhat of a nitpick, but I wouldn’t consider Steven Wilson a miss yet. He’s looked good recently and perhaps could be flipped for a prospect down the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 7 hours ago, ChiSoxFanMike said: Might be somewhat of a nitpick, but I wouldn’t consider Steven Wilson a miss yet. He’s looked good recently and perhaps could be flipped for a prospect down the line. And still too early to say Teel is a hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 8 hours ago, ChiSoxFanMike said: Might be somewhat of a nitpick, but I wouldn’t consider Steven Wilson a miss yet. He’s looked good recently and perhaps could be flipped for a prospect down the line. With his season last year it he is already proven guilty until he can show otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 20 hours ago, DFAthewave69420 said: Is there an official Getz acquisition tracker? (probably missing some) Hits Cash Considerations Shane Smith Chase Meidroth Kyle Teel Braden Montgomery Cam Booser Mike Vasil Jury Still Out Matt Thaiss Miguel Vargas Jeral Perez Alexander Albertus William Bergolla Jared Shuster Drew Thrope Jairo Iriarte Samual Zavala Misses Mike Tauchman Austin Slater Nick Maton Mike Clevinger Nicky Lopez Mike Soroka Braden Shewmake Michael A Taylor Dominic Fletcher Steven Wilson Martin Perez Penn Murfee Zach DeLoach I mean you can move all of the hits into the Jury's still out category. That's not a knock on any of them but none of them are actual hits yet. Fedde was a hit that somehow was turned into a miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 7 minutes ago, Rowand44 said: I mean you can move all of the hits into the Jury's still out category. That's not a knock on any of them but none of them are actual hits yet. Fedde was a hit that somehow was turned into a miss. Fedde was a grand slam homer on his own merits. It's what we got for him that was a disaster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 17 hours ago, GreenSox said: Well-said. I'm taking the other side of this: this isn't the time to fire Getz. Yeah, he shouldn't have been hired in the first place; it looks like he botched the Fedde and Cease trades; Kopech part of the trade looks good and everything Crochet looks great. Still he's got to do better. And as far as the team goes, this probably is the sorriest collection of veteran position players assembled on a major league roster in the last 40 years (except for 2024). But what matters is Medroth and Quero sliding in, with more to come. Shane Smith and Vasil (no bench coach found him). And if JR fires Getz, it's not like he's going to hire the Guardians or Rays #2. More like a Bobby Evans type. Yuk. Getz is all we got. And I like our position over, say, the Twins right now. DeJong and Pham were two of the better hitters for most of last season. None of the vets other than Benintendi are hitting a lick now. And still might need to rely on Drury coming up if they can't hit for any more pop. (Note all Royals are hitting a combined .569 ops except Witt Jr. in mid 800s, somehow generating less offense than even the putrid White Sox.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 19 hours ago, pcq said: Tanking doesn't do justice to 121 losses. It's sad to see how normalized this is. 3 consecutive 100+ loss seasons (assuming 2025 continues to be poor), potentially back-to-back seasons of having the most losses in MLB history, very little progress in the minors from position players, and there's an extremely vocal (albeit small) group here that is just... ok with it. This isn't "just how rebuilds go" 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: It's sad to see how normalized this is. 3 consecutive 100+ loss seasons (assuming 2025 continues to be poor), potentially back-to-back seasons of having the most losses in MLB history, very little progress in the minors from position players, and there's an extremely vocal (albeit small) group here that is just... ok with it. This isn't "just how rebuilds go" If you squint at 2027-28 and say okay...maybe Quero Teel B.Montgomery and Bonemer (still a LONG ways to go, 2 or 2 1/2 seasons of continuous development and good health required). But Montgomery and for now Bonemer are the only truly "dynamic" or impactful hitters there, as catchers break down so quickly from a physical standpoint post steroids era. Edited April 25 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 4/24/2025 at 6:33 PM, fathom said: Having Mackowiak in CF didn’t help That’s a funny thing considering Brian Anderson played all but 28 games in CF that year and Mackowiak probably didn’t cost them all 28 games he was as there. Thome was an all star that year. That trade didn’t hurt them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, FloydBannister1983 said: That’s a funny thing considering Brian Anderson played all but 28 games in CF that year and Mackowiak probably didn’t cost them all 28 games he was as there. Thome was an all star that year. That trade didn’t hurt them. Anderson was rookie scapegoat for offense collapsing second half. Mackowiak might have impacted 4-5 ganes defensively...but high profile losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Anderson was rookie scapegoat for offense collapsing second half. Mackowiak might have impacted 4-5 ganes defensively...but high profile losses. Yes high profile losses, but if the pitchers don’t allow 150 earned runs more than the prior year those losses don’t matter. They got 3.7 WAR from Rowand/Everett in 2005. They got 5.3 from Thome/Anderson/Mackowiac in 2006. The trade was a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On pace for 37 wins. Getz can always outdo himself, which I guess is a good attribute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, FloydBannister1983 said: Yes high profile losses, but if the pitchers don’t allow 150 earned runs more than the prior year those losses don’t matter. They got 3.7 WAR from Rowand/Everett in 2005. They got 5.3 from Thome/Anderson/Mackowiac in 2006. The trade was a winner. At least until Thome vs. Kotsay vs rotating DH debates of late 2000s w Ozzie leading into the 2010 season when Thome joined Twins and beat up Thornton. Edited April 26 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 15 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: On pace for 37 wins. Getz can always outdo himself, which I guess is a good attribute? Not wasting a year is paying off already. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, JoeC said: Not wasting a year is paying off already. 2 1/2 games ahead of the Rockies, even. At least the opener idea with Gilbert was a nice new twist...it really worked for both games. Not sure about a third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Two wins this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrown54 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 4/23/2025 at 12:34 PM, 2Deep said: What I would do to have PRIME 2005 & 2006 Kenny Williams as the GM right now. Kenny sucked at manny things but he at least gave a crap and tried........and also got Jerry to spend some money Considering his total tenure as GM/Director of Operations, the only thing that makes sense is that he was on a 2 year LSD trip, from 2003-05, was completely out of his head, reached the heights, after which he crashed hard, took the franchise down with him in the process, and from which neither party has recovered or will recover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 18 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: On pace for 37 wins. Getz can always outdo himself, which I guess is a good attribute? 7-20 now. That’s a month of games. On pace for 42-120. It’s probably going to be 6 to 9 wins per 27 all season. 45 wins sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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