9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Yes, and those are much more predictive of future success than BABIP unfortunately. I love the defense and he does hit the ball hard, so maybe there is a chance he can figure s%*# out with an off season program. But so far, there is nothing to be arrogant about with his acquisition.

At least he doesn't hit every damn ball on the ground like Acuna and Braden, there's that.

19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

And to be clear, I don’t think Getz should be fired for the deadline. I was very, very angry about last night’s loss and Getz holds a lot blame for our shortfalls since the deadline. I overreacted a bit no doubt. However, his stock has taken a big hit IMO and he’s got to prove he‘s the dude now. This offseason will be a huge test for him because a lot of pieces are in place but there are still a bunch of holes & weaknesses that need to be addressed. If he fails to make us a legit contender next year, then he really needs to start being on the hot seat IMO.

100%. He needs to really have a good offseaon. He needs to make sure this team is competing for the playoffs next season and that it isn't a 2012 White Sox situation.

3 minutes ago, ron883 said:

100%. He needs to really have a good offseaon. He needs to make sure this team is competing for the playoffs next season and that it isn't a 2012 White Sox situation.

Problem is, I bet he doesn’t have much money to spend. Castillo was likely the big ticket purchase for next offseason.

49 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What part has been better other than BABIP?

Like I said earlier, Doyle’s at a .757 OPS over the last month, .850 over the last two weeks.

26 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

At least he doesn't hit every damn ball on the ground like Acuna and Braden, there's that.

He has a 60% groundball rate since Sep 1st.

1 minute ago, almagest said:

Like I said earlier, Doyle’s at a .757 OPS over the last month, .850 over the last two weeks.

Due to a .636 BABIP…every other stat is bad to terrible.

5 minutes ago, almagest said:

Like I said earlier, Doyle’s at a .757 OPS over the last month, .850 over the last two weeks.

It’s called luck. It’s unsustainable. The dude can’t draw a walk to save his life and his power from two years doesn’t seem to be around anymore. He’s a negative WAR player even with his Gold Glove.

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20 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Problem is, I bet he doesn’t have much money to spend. Castillo was likely the big ticket purchase for next offseason.

They are talking about a $170M payroll floor in the CBA negotiations and our revenue is way up. There will be money to work with, even if Castillo absorbs a much larger chunk of it than any of us would like.

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2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

It’s called luck. It’s unsustainable. The dude can’t draw a walk to save his life.

6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Due to a .636 BABIP…every other stat is bad to terrible.

There's only like 7 games left I don't care about luck due to an unsustainable BABIP. At this point I care about results, and he's been more than playable for a month.

19 hours ago, fathom said:

Sadly, this year probably made Jerry love him even more. I expect very little in terms of offseason moves. I can’t see any offensive starters being added. Probably a few relievers, that’s it.

Sorry but I don’t buy this at all. Per Spotrac, their 2027 payroll is $84.1 million including arbitration. You can say what you want about Jerry and it’s totally valid to say that they spend poorly, but he has proven to spend when the team is trying to compete.

I'm expecting them to have an active offseason. At least one SP, a right handed reliever, and a right handed bat all seem likely.

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

They are talking about a $170M payroll floor and our revenue is way up. There will be money to work, even if Castillo absorbs a much larger chunk of it than any of us would like.

If Ishbia was taking over in the offseason, I would believe that number. But I’ll believe it when I see it.

2 minutes ago, almagest said:

There's only like 7 games left I don't care about luck due to an unsustainable BABIP. At this point I care about results, and he's been more than playable for a month.

The whole point of Doyle was for the future unless you think the Sox have a legit shot at a WS this year, so I’m not sure why you would take that stance.

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2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The whole point of Doyle was for the future, so I’m not sure why you would take that stance.

Because this year and next year are completely separate. Whatever he does this year with BABIP luck has no bearing on next season. Hopefully next season he gets to a 90+ wRC+ and becomes a valuable backup outfielder.

57 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

You just cited one stat that has a low correlation to total offensive value and is fueled by an unsustainable BABIP while ignoring his K rate & BB rate (which are both atrocious) along with his mediocre ISO. His xwOBA coming into today was .204 which is 47 points below the lowest qualified hitter in baseball out of 246 players. It’s also 48 points worse than it was with the Rockies this year.

The fact you’re applauding the Sox for being arrogant for acquiring one of the worst hitters in baseball and somehow making him worse is why no one can take you seriously when it comes to Chris Getz.

That's good, because I don't really need to be taken seriously by people who start screaming for the GM to be fired who has this team competitive 4 years ahead of the schedule that was rammed down everyone's throats, here.

No, Castillo hasn't worked out, Doyle hasn't set the world on fire, Bart got injured quick, and Brazoban has been ineffective. I was underwhelmed by the TDL. At the time, I said it looked like they overpaid in every deal. But that's supply and demand. I'm disappointed about all 4. As an adult, I can understand what they were trying to do. The 2nd half collapse didn't stem from a bad TDL. The offense all fell in a slump for weeks, and the pitching looks gassed.

But hey, let's all look at who caught fire after the TDL and declare those are the guys we should have traded for. By trading less. Great fucking analysis. If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go hold this front office accountable by pouting like a tired 4-year-old whose mom cut his cheeseburger all wrong.

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

That sarcastic "might be competitive by 2029 at this rate" comment from Southsider2k5 sure has a long shelf life.

2029? That was thoroughly laughed at. "How dare anybody think this team will be competitive this decade?!? 2030, at the earliest."

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

2029? That was thoroughly laughed at. "How dare anybody think this team will be competitive this decade?!? 2030, at the earliest."

I don't know what competitive means these days. Under Reinsdorf that means never 1st place and no October.

This is not a predictable sport. Remember Hahn's wait for the parade? Look what happen to the previous core. No one saw that coming.

It would be great to have a farm system with players who are good enough to play for other teams but are still there (Dodgers) or the Brewers that have this revolving door.

57 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

And to be clear, I don’t think Getz should be fired for the deadline. I was very, very angry about last night’s loss and Getz holds a lot blame for our shortfalls since the deadline. I overreacted a bit no doubt. However, his stock has taken a big hit IMO and he’s got to prove he‘s the dude now. This offseason will be a huge test for him because a lot of pieces are in place but there are still a bunch of holes & weaknesses that need to be addressed. If he fails to make us a legit contender next year, then he really needs to start being on the hot seat IMO.

Very. Very. Angry. Wow, well I guess that gives your sober analysis so much more weight, because I was only very (1 very) angry after that loss.

Of course there's a bunch of holes. It's year fucking three of his rebuild. Most of the team are rookies or 2nd year players. But Getz's stock has taken a hit. Boy, I sure hope he proves himself to you.

All year I've been saying this is a glorified .500 team playing over their heads. They're young. Colson and Mune may not even be starting at SS and 1B by the end of 2027. No s%*# there's holes. They weren't supposed to be competitive this year.

The "fire him" thing is so ridiculous that it's meaningless.

7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Disagree. The Castillo is one of the worst trades I have ever seen on paper in my 42 years on this planet. Made no sense at the time and it might cost us a playoff spot. Doing nothing would have been better than adding him. I have been a staunch Getz defender all season, but last night was my breaking point. Watching a team in desperate need of SP wither & die after an early 8-2 lead while Castillo was nowhere to be found was the nail in the coffin. There is no question he failed this team at the deadline and has weakened them going into 2027. I’m glad he held onto Bonemer and didn’t go “all in”, but I can’t otherwise comprehend his set of moves. Thinking you can fix broken players mid season while in the middle of a playoff push reeks of arrogance or stupidity. Just too hard for me to ignore how mind boggling the Castillo & Doyle moves were.

Especially for a very young team that arrives early, I am a big fan doing nothing, rather than doing something that hurts you in the long run, or something which looks like a talent gap in other team’s favor in the short term. The long run should be sacrosanct in a GM model. Fans and media are thirsty for action just because. Ignore. They will howl in real time for sitting on your hands. In the long run they won’t even remember they advocated for bad trades while the team benefits.

27 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

It’s called luck. It’s unsustainable. The dude can’t draw a walk to save his life and his power from two years doesn’t seem to be around anymore. He’s a negative WAR player even with his Gold Glove.

So good luck is "luck", but bad luck isn't? LOL.

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

So good luck is "luck", but bad luck isn't? LOL.

0 walks and 27 strikeouts. Bad luck or good luck, he fucking stinks.

41 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

They are talking about a $170M payroll floor in the CBA negotiations and our revenue is way up. There will be money to work with, even if Castillo absorbs a much larger chunk of it than any of us would like.

$145 million seems much more realistic

$170 sounds more like the opening appetizer or gambit in negotiations that seems more generous to fans

there aren't enough quality FA's to even get to those numbers in one offseason without heavy spending on extensions and NPB/KOR players

At $145 million, about half the teams automatically would have to increase their payrolls

23 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Especially for a very young team that arrives early, I am a big fan doing nothing, rather than doing something that hurts you in the long run, or something which looks like a talent gap in other team’s favor in the short term. The long run should be sacrosanct in a GM model. Fans and media are thirsty for action just because. Ignore. They will howl in real time for sitting on your hands. In the long run they won’t even remember they advocated for bad trades while the team benefits.

Orioles and Royals are your counter examples...Tigers and Mariners, too.

It wasn't just trading Bonemer.

It was presumably Carlson Hagen Schultz and McDougal too.

The Sox averaging one postseason every 11-12 years of franchise history makes their situation a bit more unique.

Even with a terrible deadline...they were one better executed pitch against Rocchio from essentially being up 3 1/2 with the tiebreaker.

If we are going right back to being the same franchise we always were, therefore we should go all in and feed all the fuel into the furnace for one good burn, then what would be the point anyway even if it worked. We would then still be losers. I don’t want to be a fan a team like that.

Hell, we won in 2005 and it was meaningless to the White Sox nation for decades. We wanted to sell the team and made fun of it. I want a chance to be better for a long time, and thats done by deploying assets in a thoughtful way. I can’t be interested in a team thats only playing for 2026. I would not be coming back

Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by Chick Mercedes

1 minute ago, Chick Mercedes said:

If we are going right back to being the same franchise we always were, therefore we should go all in and feed all the fuel into the furnace for one good burn, then what would be the point anyway even if it worked. We would then still be losers. I don’t want to be a fan a team like that

Trading Bonemer Schultz Hagen Carlson ... they didn't come close to doing that.

Cholowsky, remember is supposed to be their franchise-defining SS.

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Trading Bonemer Schultz Hagen Carlson ... they didn't come close to doing that.

Cholowsky, remember is supposed to be their franchise-defining SS.

I’m not talking about the Sox. I’m talking about what some fans wanted to do. I actually have hope for this regime.

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