15 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

2 hours ago, wegner said:

Temu field @ AliExpress Park

Not SHEIN?

2 hours ago, wegner said:

The guy who was in charge of player development in an organization that developed no talent was promoted to GM. I am flabbergasted how anyone can defend him.

The weird part was SEEMINGLY more blamed KW than Hahn around SoxTalk, relatively...but KW actually had a great, almost amazing historical Sox track record (overall) compared to Hahn in terms of actual winning and losing, working within the imposed constraints of the JR's budgets especially.

The farm system was not invested into heavily...it was simply for acquiring more proven vets the majority of the time, same with Latin America (other than the developing Cuban Connection).

And Williams really KNEW talent and how to identify it.  Whether he could afford it or not was always the question.

Rick Hahn had ZERO ability to assess talent on a personal basis.  Free agent signings were almost always bad...and zero ability to assess character with Grandal, Lynn, Graveman, Moncada, Robert and Eloy (only Hendriks was truly a "winning" ballplayer).

 

I'm actually not so sure that Chris Getz is any better, which is hard to believe based upon his professional baseball career and being around the success of the Royals from 2013-2017.

Also having a hard time seeing Chris Getz winning AL Executive of the Year anytime in the near future, as Hahn did in 2019.  Heck, even Paddy won Scout of the Year not too long ago, more a lifetime achievement type of award.

Edited April 9, 20251 yr by caulfield12

10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Not SHEIN?

That's too Haute Couture

 

KW and Hahn deserved to be fired but, knowing how JR usually treats employees and players, the way they were dismissed was unusual.  Basically they were told, pick up your sh 1t and get out of here....and neither one has commented about their sudden departure since.

Edited April 9, 20251 yr by tray

Getz is a symptom of the problem. When JR decided to let go of Roland Hemond, he handed the job to Hawk. After Ozzie left at the end of 2011, an era of sorts ended. Who was hired as manager? Robin Ventura. Just as the rebuild looked like it was working, who was hired? Tony LaRussa. Two long term employees get canned. Who gets hired? Getz. When big decisions need to be made, stuff like this happens. Firing Getz would help, but I dread to see the replacement.

I like Getz's moves from an off-the-field personnel standpoint.

The player acquisitions and on-field personnel decisions are, on the whole, bad.

As long as JR is the owner, I'm starting to think that the only move that a GM could make that would show he's competent is to resign. Any hire made by JR is likely, by definition, unqualified - if a JR-hired GM really understands what's going on, they'd realize they need to resign.

For years we've all been told how much JR loves baseball. Supposedly he  is happier with the White Sox WS Championship than he is with the Bulls championships. He supposedly watches every White Sox game. We're told he lives and dies with every game. If all this is true imagine what it would be like if he didn't care about baseball. This team is digging itself into another hole with no end in sight .If they would have added a couple of hitters and one good reliever this past off season this team would be 6-4 instead of 2-8. Obviously JR is content with this losing team and very low payroll.

42 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

For years we've all been told how much JR loves baseball. Supposedly he  is happier with the White Sox WS Championship than he is with the Bulls championships. He supposedly watches every White Sox game. We're told he lives and dies with every game. If all this is true imagine what it would be like if he didn't care about baseball. This team is digging itself into another hole with no end in sight .If they would have added a couple of hitters and one good reliever this past off season this team would be 6-4 instead of 2-8. Obviously JR is content with this losing team and very low payroll.

It would maybe keep him from trying to be over-involved, which would be a good thing.

3 hours ago, tray said:

KW and Hahn deserved to be fired but, knowing how JR usually treats employees and players, the way they were dismissed was unusual.  Basically they were told, pick up your sh 1t and get out of here....and neither one has commented about their sudden departure since.

I’m not so sure.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Kenny and Hahn were given the early heads up by Jerry that they were going to have to be the fall guys for the failed Rebuild #1 and they both received nice severance packages to keep their mouths shut about it into retirement.

I would be surprised if Jerry gave them no warning whatsoever after years of loyal service, but I could be wrong.

Edited April 9, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I’m not so sure.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Kenny and Hahn were given the early heads up by Jerry that they were going to have to be the fall guys for the failed Rebuild #1 and they both received nice severance packages to keep their mouths shut about it into retirement.

I would be surprised if Jerry gave them no warning whatsoever after years of loyal service, but I could be wrong.

Too bad he couldn’t trade Robert as a parting gift.

16 hours ago, wegner said:

The guy who was in charge of player development in an organization that developed no talent was promoted to GM. I am flabbergasted how anyone can defend him.

He didn't hire himself, so I just evaluate what he's done as GM.
I can understand the ire.  I just choose not to participate in it, if for no other reason than  I spent 10 years howling about Hahn (who effed things up a lot more than Getz has) and I'm tired of howling;

9 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

He didn't hire himself, so I just evaluate what he's done as GM.
I can understand the ire.  I just choose not to participate in it, if for no other reason than  I spent 10 years howling about Hahn (who effed things up a lot more than Getz has) and I'm tired of howling;

I feel this. It’s all exhausting. And really, there’s nothing else left to be said that hasn’t already been said 100 times.

19 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

He didn't hire himself, so I just evaluate what he's done as GM.
I can understand the ire.  I just choose not to participate in it, if for no other reason than  I spent 10 years howling about Hahn (who effed things up a lot more than Getz has) and I'm tired of howling;

By the stories being told, Getz undermined the existing management to get that job.

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

By the stories being told, Getz undermined the existing management to get that job.

A.J. was one of those who stated that numerous times. 

25 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

He didn't hire himself, so I just evaluate what he's done as GM.
I can understand the ire.  I just choose not to participate in it, if for no other reason than  I spent 10 years howling about Hahn (who effed things up a lot more than Getz has) and I'm tired of howling;

Give it time. It's possible he's as bad as Hahn. But hopefully the behind the scenes changes are positive.

30 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

A.J. was one of those who stated that numerous times. 

And they should have been undermined. If Getz got JR to move on from the chaos that was KW/Hahn, that's deserving of GM of the Year awards in perpetuity. 2024 was the direct result of KW/Hahn. 

12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And they should have been undermined. If Getz got JR to move on from the chaos that was KW/Hahn, that's deserving of GM of the Year awards in perpetuity. 2024 was the direct result of KW/Hahn. 

Holy s%*#.  Grab a sock and wipe your chin.

14 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And they should have been undermined. If Getz got JR to move on from the chaos that was KW/Hahn, that's deserving of GM of the Year awards in perpetuity. 2024 was the direct result of KW/Hahn. 

Kenny and Hahn were both better GMs than Getz.  Getz is shooting for his second straight record setting season…  in losses.

And what players did Getz develop again when he was the Director of Player Development for the Sox?  And what did he do as the Assistant GM before his underserved promotion?

7 minutes ago, champagne030 said:

Holy s%*#.  Grab a sock and wipe your chin.

Rude. 

Tell me about the glory days of Casper Wells and JB Shuck. 

6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Kenny and Hahn were both better GMs than Getz.  Getz is shooting for his second straight record setting season…  in losses.

And what players did Getz develop again when he was the Director of Player Development for the Sox?  And what did he do as the Assistant GM before his underserved promotion?

KW and Hahn were done. Y'all mock them for the fact that nobody has hired or even interviewed them since. Pick a lane. I've posted lists of the players Getz has developed that resulted in a 2-year run of playoff appearances. Go back and look them up before your dementia eviscerates your ability to navigate the internet. 

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

He didn't hire himself, so I just evaluate what he's done as GM.
I can understand the ire.  I just choose not to participate in it, if for no other reason than  I spent 10 years howling about Hahn (who effed things up a lot more than Getz has) and I'm tired of howling;

Getz has been nowhere near as successful as Hahn.  Hahn also didn’t set the futility record.

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Rude. 

Tell me about the glory days of Casper Wells and JB Shuck. 

We can talk about Jacob Amaya, Miguel Vargas, and Travis Jankowski instead.

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

KW and Hahn were done. Y'all mock them for the fact that nobody has hired or even interviewed them since. Pick a lane. I've posted lists of the players Getz has developed that resulted in a 2-year run of playoff appearances. Go back and look them up before your dementia eviscerates your ability to navigate the internet. 

You missed the point.  Kenny and Hahn sucked but they were still better GMs than Getz.  Getz is that freaking bad.

26 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And they should have been undermined. If Getz got JR to move on from the chaos that was KW/Hahn, that's deserving of GM of the Year awards in perpetuity. 2024 was the direct result of KW/Hahn. 

And there it is.  Getz gets no blame for 2024.  Not his garbage offseason, not his garbage trades…  does he get any blame for 2025?

Edited April 9, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023