22 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

In 937 PA he's been worth -.8 fWAR. Sometimes I wonder if you're trolling.

And I sometimes wonder if you are. Yes, Vargas is in a slump. Prospects don't come to the majors and hit .400 straight through to their age 38 season. If you're looking for that, you're going to be really disappointed. Everybody's screaming to "play the kids". This is what that looks like. Errors and slumps. Perhaps you should focus your ire on the people who scream for Tim Elko to be given the chance to break the strikeout record instead of those of us who are just trying to watch a team come together. 

37 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And there's more to failure than 32 PAs. 

Say 900+ ABs?

23 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Unfortunately, he isn’t looking like an above average player.  And during this rebuild, this team needs to generate multiple above average players and maybe even a star or two to succeed.  Afterall, that’s what all of this selling off of players and losing is for right?

When Bobby Witt Jr. goes 0-4 with 3 strikeouts, he doesn't look like an above average major leaguer, either. I'm not even sure what you're arguing. Vargas is having a good season for his first full year as a starter, and he's in a slump right now. It's silly to declare him a bust based on a slump. But I don't believe you posting this multiple times across all threads is about you having an opinion on a player, just as you pretending a basic concept about players being devalued due to supply and demand is a ridiculous concept that you have to mock in every post. 

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And I sometimes wonder if you are. Yes, Vargas is in a slump. Prospects don't come to the majors and hit .400 straight through to their age 38 season. If you're looking for that, you're going to be really disappointed. Everybody's screaming to "play the kids". This is what that looks like. Errors and slumps. Perhaps you should focus your ire on the people who scream for Tim Elko to be given the chance to break the strikeout record instead of those of us who are just trying to watch a team come together. 

No one is calling for him NOT to play.  Recognizing that he has been bad WAY more often than good is being able to see reality.   Perhaps you should focus you ire on not taking everything personally.  

24 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

So we are back to the 'this only his 2nd full season' BS. He's had over 600 AB's in the bigs and LAD burned through his options giving him multiple opportunities. If you want to squint at a hot streak and see it as his norm, by all means, you do you. But looking at his whole body of work in the bigs, seeing a hot streak for what it is and remaining skeptical is a perfectly fair position.

Being skeptical is perfectly fair.  Saying “he is what we thought he was” and declaring that’s he a bust while he’s in the midst of a cold streak is a different thing.

26 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

So we are back to the 'this only his 2nd full season' BS. He's had over 600 AB's in the bigs and LAD burned through his options giving him multiple opportunities. If you want to squint at a hot streak and see it as his norm, by all means, you do you. But looking at his whole body of work in the bigs, seeing a hot streak for what it is and remaining skeptical is a perfectly fair position.

Also, how is it not his second full season of plate appearances?  And why is failing over multiple smaller opportunities somehow worse than failing over a full 600 PA season?

27 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

 Vargas is having a good season for his first full year as a starter

Say what???

Vargas is hitting .220 with a .696 OPS. That's good????

21 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

Say what???

Vargas is hitting .220 with a .696 OPS. That's good????

Don't stop him...he's rolling! 😆

54 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And I sometimes wonder if you are. Yes, Vargas is in a slump. Prospects don't come to the majors and hit .400 straight through to their age 38 season. If you're looking for that, you're going to be really disappointed. Everybody's screaming to "play the kids". This is what that looks like. Errors and slumps. Perhaps you should focus your ire on the people who scream for Tim Elko to be given the chance to break the strikeout record instead of those of us who are just trying to watch a team come together. 

THE "ELKO EFFECT" SHATTERED ATTENDANCE RECORDS ACROSS THE NATION...except you were once on that bandwagon too.

And that was still better/more rational than playing Palacios Amaya Maton Noda Capra Dalbec Drury.

12 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Don't stop him...he's rolling! 😆

Well the Sox standard for "really good" hitting is just a 700 ops...only 100 less than the rest of baseball.

And convincing ourselves Chase Meidroth was closer to a unicorn than Madrigal. 

Or that Sosa's hitting could overcome his other fundamental deficiencies.

Sure you always need some complementary/average to below average glue guys on a roster..but going nowhere without 2-3 stars.

This, combined with the guys being dumped at the trade deadline could make for an ugly 2nd half.

 

This idiot should be fired for letting Colson play anywhere but SS right now

32 minutes ago, fathom said:

This idiot should be fired for letting Colson play anywhere but SS right now

I am big fan of, run him out there until someone forces him off of it.

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am big fan of, run him out there until someone forces him off of it.

He’s playing 3B again tonight.  

38 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am big fan of, run him out there until someone forces him off of it.

Well if Carlson hits.... 0 shot Colson plays SS over that kid. 

14 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

Well if Carlson hits.... 0 shot Colson plays SS over that kid. 

Sure, but we are probably talking what, 3-4 years?  

THis dumbfuck franchise plays him exclusively at SS in AAA, he comes up and in the first week more than holds his own defensively then they fucking move Vargas off 3rd even more in ORDER TO PLAY HIM OUT OF POSITION AT 3B.

WTF are you FUCKING DOING???????????????

29 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Sure, but we are probably talking what, 3-4 years?  

There's a 50% chance he even makes it to MLB in that time frame. He's a total project as I said Jose Iglesias is the comp and the Tigers got a few good years out of him as a slap hitting all D SS. But that's 90th percentile outcome for this kid.

15 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

THis dumbfuck franchise plays him exclusively at SS in AAA, he comes up and in the first week more than holds his own defensively then they fucking move Vargas off 3rd even more in ORDER TO PLAY HIM OUT OF POSITION AT 3B.

WTF are you FUCKING DOING???????????????

Yeah don’t tell us how important it is to find up the middle talent in the draft and then not do everything you can to develop Montgomery.

10 minutes ago, fathom said:

Yeah don’t tell us how important it is to find up the middle talent in the draft and then not do everything you can to develop Montgomery.

They need to start doing the constanza. Whatever they think is best, just do the opposite.

18 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

THis dumbfuck franchise plays him exclusively at SS in AAA, he comes up and in the first week more than holds his own defensively then they fucking move Vargas off 3rd even more in ORDER TO PLAY HIM OUT OF POSITION AT 3B.

WTF are you FUCKING DOING???????????????

For all of the talk about how new and great everything is, we still do nothing to put the kids in a position to succeed, just like we did during the last regime.  Both Vargas and Montgomery at the peak values would be playing their toughest possible defensive positions, but we have already punted on that.  Weird how that hasn't changed, right?

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

For all of the talk about how new and great everything is, we still do nothing to put the kids in a position to succeed, just like we did during the last regime.  Both Vargas and Montgomery at the peak values would be playing their toughest possible defensive positions, but we have already punted on that.  Weird how that hasn't changed, right?

Almost like the stupid chucklefuck that was in charge of player development during the last regime was promoted. 

9 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Almost like the stupid chucklefuck that was in charge of player development during the last regime was promoted. 

And if you have already decided these guys can't play a defensive position why in the world would you let them play it for years in the minors only to make them learn a new position in the majors, while also learning how to be a major leaguer?  Let them at least be playing something familiar in the majors.  It's not like they are being blocked by some superstar at the major league level that should block them defensively.

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And if you have already decided these guys can't play a defensive position why in the world would you let them play it for years in the minors only to make them learn a new position in the majors, while also learning how to be a major leaguer?  Let them at least be playing something familiar in the majors.  It's not like they are being blocked by some superstar at the major league level that should block them defensively.

This dysfunctional organization simply can't get out of their own way can they? 🤡

21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And if you have already decided these guys can't play a defensive position why in the world would you let them play it for years in the minors only to make them learn a new position in the majors, while also learning how to be a major leaguer?  Let them at least be playing something familiar in the majors.  It's not like they are being blocked by some superstar at the major league level that should block them defensively.

I also hate that he’s not playing SS, but I don’t think this is a case of them deciding Colson can’t play SS. I just think with a lefty pitching, this was a way to get the nine guys Venable wants out there into the lineup.