7 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

According to their owner they are not looking at a long rebuild.

And I believe he found the one guy in the entire sport who was spineless enough to tell him what he wanted to hear, then made him the new GM.

20 hours ago, T R U said:

So now we’re just giving him war to justify not liking the trade?

Big deal, he’s at 1.9 thanks to a totally unsustainable run with us. It’s ok to believe in that but already give up on a prospect. Sounds right. 

There’s a good chance Eder doesn’t even get 3 WAR in his entire career, that’s not “giving up” it’s just facts

On 9/2/2023 at 7:47 PM, Buehrle>Wood said:

You cannot trade a 2.5-3.0 WAR player for a single minor league pitcher. The bust rate is way too high for that. We quite literally picked up pitchers off the scrap heap that were better prospects at one point than Eder will ever be. Eder could be a rule 5  victim by this time next year.

And an every day position player with 30+ home runs a season, with team control thru 2028.

  Talent evaluation and development are poor.  Might as well keep those bad players because the trades bring the same result or worse. You can believe one day the Sox wheel of fortune is gonna pay.    

15 hours ago, hankchifan said:

And an every day position player with 30+ home runs a season, with team control thru 2028.

Kenny's parting gift to the fans. Eder has an 11.42 ERA. 17 innings, 27 hits, 15 walks. You know he's pouting about being traded to the Sox.

He's gonna fit right in around here when they have to bring him up to save face. The good Jake is hitting .313 5Hrs, 15 ribbies. In the majors.

God I miss his bat and smiling face.

Burger up to 30 hrs and 67 rbis. He would have the 2nd best WAR on the sox by a mile. And the fans loved him. This trade made no sense when you hold onto moncada.

10 minutes ago, pmb0928 said:

Burger up to 30 hrs and 67 rbis. He would have the 2nd best WAR on the sox by a mile. And the fans loved him. This trade made no sense when you hold onto moncada.

Elvis Andrus is actually 3rd, lol.

Grandal, Sosa, Sheets, Anderson and Colas (-1.0) all firmly in negative territory.

Seby was actually at 0.0.

 

10	Yasmani Grandal	CHW	110	379	8	31	32	0	9.0%	22.2%	.109	.289	.236	.311	.345	.291	.274	82	-5.2	-13.5	0.0	-0.1
11	Carlos Pérez	CHW	18	30	0	3	2	0	3.3%	30.0%	.103	.350	.241	.267	.345	.265	.224	64	-0.3	-1.6	-0.1	-0.1
12	Adam Haseley	CHW	28	39	0	6	2	1	7.7%	20.5%	.056	.286	.222	.282	.278	.253	.289	55	0.0	-2.1	-0.8	-0.2
13	Romy Gonzalez	CHW	44	97	3	11	14	7	2.1%	37.1%	.183	.273	.194	.208	.376	.244	.281	49	3.1	-2.8	-2.2	-0.2
14	Trayce Thompson	CHW	17	42	1	4	2	1	7.1%	47.6%	.103	.333	.179	.238	.282	.232		41	-0.2	-3.1	-0.9	-0.3
15	Hanser Alberto	CHW	30	90	3	11	16	0	4.4%	14.4%	.171	.224	.220	.261	.390	.279	.270	73	-0.7	-3.6	-2.2	-0.3
16	Clint Frazier	CHW	33	76	0	10	3	4	13.2%	30.3%	.045	.302	.197	.303	.242	.256	.258	58	-0.2	-4.1	-2.0	-0.4
17	Lenyn Sosa	CHW	37	122	5	8	12	0	0.8%	23.0%	.153	.200	.186	.193	.339	.225	.296	36	-0.1	-9.5	0.7	-0.5
18	Gavin Sheets	CHW	94	268	9	20	31	0	8.6%	19.0%	.140	.228	.211	.280	.351	.274	.277	70	0.2	-9.5	-4.9	-0.5
19	Tim Anderson	CHW	103	446	1	46	24	12	5.2%	23.1%	.057	.316	.242	.285	.299	.260	.286	60	-1.7	-23.1	2.6	-0.5
20	Oscar Colás	CHW	70	245	4	29	18	4	4.9%	26.9%	.088	.281	.215	.255	.303	.244	.265	49	1.0	-14.1	-4.6	-1.0

2 hours ago, pmb0928 said:

Burger up to 30 hrs and 67 rbis. He would have the 2nd best WAR on the sox by a mile. And the fans loved him. This trade made no sense when you hold onto moncada.

 the Marlins should  jump at the chance to trade Burger for Moncada. By the logic that was argued this season on Soxtalk.

7 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

 the Marlins should  jump at the chance to trade Burger for Moncada. By the logic that was argued this season on Soxtalk.

I don't think there is anyone who would rather have Moncada over Burger. The problem with this scenario is the White Sox are stuck with Moncada for a minimum of one more season and their boneheaded roster construction left them with only Burger as a realistic trade option.

This idea that the White Sox are going to move on from Moncada seems to be pretty wishful thinking to me. They aren't going to cut him. No one is going to trade for him and just take on his salary. Were stuck with this guy for at least another season unless he is traded for a salary swap and those options are probably pretty slim.

11 minutes ago, T R U said:

I don't think there is anyone who would rather have Moncada over Burger. The problem with this scenario is the White Sox are stuck with Moncada for a minimum of one more season and their boneheaded roster construction left them with only Burger as a realistic trade option.

This idea that the White Sox are going to move on from Moncada seems to be pretty wishful thinking to me. They aren't going to cut him. No one is going to trade for him and just take on his salary. Were stuck with this guy for at least another season unless he is traded for a salary swap and those options are probably pretty slim.

They  got nothing in return for Burger, just like they got nothing in return for Tatis Jr and Madrigal.  Wouldn't this team look better if those 3 hadn't been traded? The Cubs released Jason Heyward this past off season and ate his $20 million contract. The White Sox should have released Moncada and eaten his contract  and kept Burger on the team. 

38 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

They  got nothing in return for Burger, just like they got nothing in return for Tatis Jr and Madrigal.  Wouldn't this team look better if those 3 hadn't been traded? The Cubs released Jason Heyward this past off season and ate his $20 million contract. The White Sox should have released Moncada and eaten his contract  and kept Burger on the team. 

What you are saying should happen is not something that the owner of the White Sox would ever allow to happen.

1 hour ago, T R U said:

What you are saying should happen is not something that the owner of the White Sox would ever allow to happen.

That tells me the owner is not  interested in having a winning team.

11 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

That tells me the owner is not  interested in having a winning team.

You haven't figured that out by now?

JR wants to win...but he wants to win HIS way.

Big difference. 

Merkin weighs in on the Burger trade:

"Jake Burger has reached 30 home runs, 25 coming with the White Sox. And I don’t understand why he ever was traded from Chicago to the Marlins.

That belief is completely independent of the talent possessed by Jake Eder, the left-handed pitcher the White Sox received in return. Eder already is ranked as the No. 5 White Sox prospect and might turn out to be a frontline starting pitcher.

Burger still shouldn’t have been traded. People were quick to quote his swing-and-miss rate and his lack of walks, but the 2023 season was the first in which Burger received more than 185 plate appearances. His overall offensive ability remains untapped.

There’s been a great deal of talk about leadership in relationship to this White Sox team, and Burger is a leader. It was pretty evident from the overall clubhouse disappointment after he was traded.

He showed the ability to learn and adjust, which he has really been applying since missing three years of baseball due to injury. He also was willing to work at every challenge the White Sox gave him: third, first, second. If they wanted him at catcher, he would have done early work behind the plate. He wanted to win and wanted to win with the White Sox.

Most of all, he had the ability to change games with one swing, which is missing from this lineup, aside from Luis Robert Jr."

Yep, when the dogshit return is the least concern about the trade, it really says a lot. 

14 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Merkin weighs in on the Burger trade:

"Jake Burger has reached 30 home runs, 25 coming with the White Sox. And I don’t understand why he ever was traded from Chicago to the Marlins.

That belief is completely independent of the talent possessed by Jake Eder, the left-handed pitcher the White Sox received in return. Eder already is ranked as the No. 5 White Sox prospect and might turn out to be a frontline starting pitcher.

Burger still shouldn’t have been traded. People were quick to quote his swing-and-miss rate and his lack of walks, but the 2023 season was the first in which Burger received more than 185 plate appearances. His overall offensive ability remains untapped.

There’s been a great deal of talk about leadership in relationship to this White Sox team, and Burger is a leader. It was pretty evident from the overall clubhouse disappointment after he was traded.

He showed the ability to learn and adjust, which he has really been applying since missing three years of baseball due to injury. He also was willing to work at every challenge the White Sox gave him: third, first, second. If they wanted him at catcher, he would have done early work behind the plate. He wanted to win and wanted to win with the White Sox.

Most of all, he had the ability to change games with one swing, which is missing from this lineup, aside from Luis Robert Jr."

The biggest defense is Eder became the #5 prospect because the system was bottom of the barrel at the time of the trade.

Other organizations he wouldn't even be Top Ten with a future reliever profile tag more likely than not attached.

Ofc Merkin was much closer to Hahn pwrsonally so it's coming off as sour grapes that KW dumped him and Hahn didn't have the power or persuasiveness to prevent it.

Edited September 5, 20232 yr by caulfield12

Moncada has to be on a short Leah next year. I’d give him till June 1st before I’d eat the money and release him if he’s underperforming 

1 hour ago, Boopa1219 said:

Moncada has to be on a short Leah next year. I’d give him till June 1st before I’d eat the money and release him if he’s underperforming 

He's still gives you a good glove.  Not gonna happen since they didn't to Grandal

 

KABOOM! Burger with another PISS ROCKET! ? ? ? 

 

It's like he feeds on wrong factually wrong Soxtalk posts.

Edited September 6, 20232 yr by Buehrle>Wood

12 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

 

KABOOM! Burger with another PISS ROCKET! ? ? ? 

 

It's like he feeds on wrong factually wrong Soxtalk posts.

Nobody on the White Sox hits the ball as hard as Jake Burger.

13 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

 

KABOOM! Burger with another PISS ROCKET! ? ? ? 

 

It's like he feeds on wrong factually wrong Soxtalk posts.

Some here said he was a microcosm of all that is wrong with this team.  In reality he was what little was right with this team.

Edited September 6, 20232 yr by South Side Fireworks Man

1 minute ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

Some here said he was a microcosm of all that is wrong with this team.  In reality he was a microcosm of what little was right with this team.

Did anybody ever use the word microcosm before Howard Cosell?

I can't help but think that Kenny made this trade as one final F--K YOU on his way out the door.

 

I'm sure this has been posted before but it shows how `f---ed up the KenHahn arrangement was.  At least Getz will call all the shots by himself.

Kenny Williams had overriding authority to trade with 2 MLB teams: sources