November 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said: Dodgers have given up good players in trades. Definitely not the Betts deal…that was horrific for Boston, ultimately. Essentially wiped out two GM’s. At keast one other team is going to have to offer a comparable amount of talent or LA will just wait out Getz. Unless the Giants massively improve, nobody can really push them…we will see what staying power AZ has. Edited November 28, 20232 yr by caulfield12
November 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Definitely not the Betts deal…that was horrific for Boston, ultimately. Essentially wiped out two GM’s. Red Sox should have paid the man.
November 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: Red Sox should have paid the man. That money should have gone to Betts instead of the one dimensional Devers.
November 28, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Burger always had a great hit tool before the two Achilles injuries. The major question was always defensively…just like this kid. Whether he can stick at third or second. But Burger was the #1 college bats to a number of scouts that year…worst-case, #3. Maybe the top power, but Adam Haseley was placed above him (and picked above him). Same for Pavin Smith. And Keston Hiura. McKay was a two-way player, but same deal. Like, Burger was very much not the #1 bat in that draft and got mocked well below where the Sox took him. There's no need to rewrite history because he had a great 2023 and the Sox traded him.
November 28, 20232 yr Could Busch make sense (for 3B) if they thought that Ramos could play 2B? I know nothing about how either of their defense is overall. Edited November 28, 20232 yr by Bob Sacamano
November 28, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Could Busch make sense (for 3B) if they thought that Ramos could play 2B? I know nothing about how his defense overall is. That's a good question
November 28, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Could Busch make sense (for 3B) if they thought that Ramos could play 2B? I know nothing about how either of their defense is overall. I know nothing of his D, but if scouts think he's too slow and limited for 2B, I question whether he would have the quickness for the hot corner. Or the arm. But I leave that for those who know more about him than I.
November 28, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Could Busch make sense (for 3B) if they thought that Ramos could play 2B? I know nothing about how either of their defense is overall. Imo...Montgomery will likely end up at 3B and Busch at 1B, so if Ramos can play 2B well that would be huge. I have no clue if he can. I thought he was playing 3B because he had a good arm.
November 28, 20232 yr I've heard it in lots of places that Montgomery ends up at 3B over past few days. He might ultimately but he'll be a big league shortstop to start his career.
November 28, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I've heard it in lots of places that Montgomery ends up at 3B over past few days. He might ultimately but he'll be a big league shortstop to start his career. Well then it makes sense to target a guy who can stick at SS in the Cease trade.
November 28, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I've heard it in lots of places that Montgomery ends up at 3B over past few days. He might ultimately but he'll be a big league shortstop to start his career. Jimmy....what about Gonzalez? I know his bat has been underwhelming but what about his defense at shortstop to date? If they trade with BAL, they can solve this issue real easily with Ortiz.
November 28, 20232 yr Give me Busch and 4 of: Pepiot Sheehan Stone Frasso River Ryan Knack Hurt Bruns
November 28, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, striker said: Give me Busch and 4 of: Pepiot Sheehan Stone Frasso River Ryan Knack Hurt Bruns 4? No one is paying that.
November 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: 4? No one is paying that. Yeah....no way, more likely 1 of the top 4 of those guys and 1 of the bottom 4 along with Busch.
November 28, 20232 yr Author 57 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Could Busch make sense (for 3B) if they thought that Ramos could play 2B? I know nothing about how either of their defense is overall. From what I have read, Ramos could play at 2B but would be a below average defender whereas at 3B he’s probably an average fielder or slightly better. I think if you add Busch you accept he’s a bat only player and put him at 1B and tell Vaughn he’s your DH for the 2024 season and better start to fucking hit.
November 28, 20232 yr Author 46 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Well then it makes sense to target a guy who can stick at SS in the Cease trade. I’m only moving Montgomery off SS if you can get a plus glove SS like Ortiz as the second piece in a Cease trade. Otherwise, I think you need to keep him at SS until he outgrows the position because it would force Ramos to non-ideal defensive position.
November 28, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m only moving Montgomery off SS if you can get a plus glove SS like Ortiz as the second piece in a Cease trade. Otherwise, I think you need to keep him at SS until he outgrows the position because it would force Ramos to non-ideal defensive position. Doesn't Ramos have a good arm? If so, could he be a corner outfielder (RF) if/when CM is moved to 3rd?
November 28, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m only moving Montgomery off SS if you can get a plus glove SS like Ortiz as the second piece in a Cease trade. Otherwise, I think you need to keep him at SS until he outgrows the position because it would force Ramos to non-ideal defensive position. Kjerstad or Cowser + Ortiz is really the obvious solution here, it’s just a matter of it Baltimore will stop prospect hugging and give them up.
November 28, 20232 yr Author 1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said: Doesn't Ramos have a good arm? If so, could he be a corner outfielder (RF) if/when CM is moved to 3rd? I believe it’s like half a grade above average, but wouldn’t be special in RF and wouldn’t compensate for the fact his range would likely be limited. I think the hot corner is his best spot unfortunately.
November 28, 20232 yr Author 2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Kjerstad or Cowser + Ortiz is really the obvious solution here, it’s just a matter of it Baltimore will stop prospect hugging and give them up. It’s 100% the solution. Gives you potentially a very complete lineup with your only major hole at at 1B/DH, which is the one spot we can afford to go after top end guys (such as Alonso next year). 1B: Free Agent 2B: Montgomery* SS: Ortiz 3B: Ramos LF: Benintnedi* CF: Robert RF: Kjerstad* DH: Vaughn CA: Quero#
November 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s 100% the solution. Gives you potentially a very complete lineup with your only major hole at at 1B/DH, which is the one spot we can afford to go after top end guys (such as Alonso next year). 1B: Free Agent 2B: Montgomery* SS: Ortiz 3B: Ramos LF: Benintnedi* CF: Robert RF: Kjerstad* DH: Vaughn CA: Quero# Vaughn doesn't hit enough for 1B, I certainly don't want to pencil him into the DH spot (as of now).
November 28, 20232 yr Author Just now, Bob Sacamano said: Vaughn doesn't hit enough for 1B, I certainly don't want to pencil him into the DH spot (as of now). Unfortunately for now he’s the best we have ?
November 28, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s 100% the solution. Gives you potentially a very complete lineup with your only major hole at at 1B/DH, which is the one spot we can afford to go after top end guys (such as Alonso next year). 1B: Free Agent 2B: Montgomery* SS: Ortiz 3B: Ramos LF: Benintnedi* CF: Robert RF: Kjerstad* DH: Vaughn CA: Quero# That would be an awesome lineup. If they could then somehow cobble together some alternative value to send to LAD (since Cease went to BAL) for Busch and plug him in at the 1B hole it would be perfect. There just isn't the value anywhere else imo that's movable but like you said they can definitely afford to buy a 1B. Edited November 28, 20232 yr by SoCalChiSox
November 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said: That would be an awesome lineup. If they could then somehow cobble together some alternative value to send to LAD (since Cease went to BAL) for Busch and plug him in at the 1B hole it would be perfect. There just isn't the value anywhere else imo that's movable but like you said they can definitely afford to buy a 1B. Anytime you look ahead to future lineups banking on prospects, you need the asterisks next to names: *if the player develops.
November 28, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I've heard it in lots of places that Montgomery ends up at 3B over past few days. He might ultimately but he'll be a big league shortstop to start his career. I talked to someone who saw him in the AFL and said the same. Said he's gonna be real good at 3B.
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