Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I don’t think there was a demand. Thorpe was the best player offered in return. Nobody was willing to trade a position player package. 

Are teams willing to deal position player prospects now?

I think you can build an offense through free agency but it is harder to build pitching (especially JR style) through free agency. 

17 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Are teams willing to deal position player prospects now?

Doesn’t really seem like anyone wants to ever. I saw a report that the Padres don’t want to trade Salas or De Vries. They’re 100% out on Crochet if that’s the case. 

3 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Doesn’t really seem like anyone wants to ever. I saw a report that the Padres don’t want to trade Salas or De Vries. They’re 100% out on Crochet if that’s the case. 

I saw that as well and agree

2 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

I'm in your camp - he has spent a lot of time churning and we can see what he threw out, but at same time we have seen potential wins. Fedde is a huge win and they should get great value for him at the deadline.  DeJong and Pham are both going to get value and Grossman got them something.

I also think moving Cease when they did worked out well and early returns on Thorpe are positive and we'll see what happens with the rest.  But part of the Cease piece is, strategically, I don't think taking the long bet with pitching when you have good offers on the table is a smart move.  The risk of injury (regardless of track record) is high, so to me the risk you get 0 vs. 90 cents on the dollar (and even that is debatable) drives me to make the deal vs. the added risk.  

For example - on Crochet, I would be working every angle to prevent him from making another start. I am so worried when he takes the mound that he'll have a tweak or something pops up. If it does - we go from getting at least 2 top 100 guys (conservatively) to basically being back at square one.  Given long-term view of the franchise - that is a risk I'm not willing to take.  

How many innings do we expect Crochet to pitch tonight? Doesn't seem like it makes sense to run him out there for more than 50 pitches or so. 

Just now, LittleHurtCG said:

How many innings do we expect Crochet to pitch tonight? Doesn't seem like it makes sense to run him out there for more than 50 pitches or so. 

2 again is my guess

1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said:

I think you can build an offense through free agency but it is harder to build pitching (especially JR style) through free agency. 

Go to the fangraphs or whatever your choice is of website's leaderboards. Go to the pitchers and look on the first page for players that signed for cheap this year that are now a top pitcher.

Now go to the position players. You'll have to go to page 3. 

Who is the Eric Fedde of position players this year? There are Fedde's every year. Building an offense out of FA would be committing to Rangers level of spending. You build your rotation first, they'll have atrophied by time you get the hitting. 

Twins/rangers...Baltimore. So many build their rotations later.

1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Are teams willing to deal position player prospects now?

If they aren't, the White Sox are in deep, deep, DEEP trouble.  Their top position player prospects took steps back this year, or at least didn't take any steps forward.  if they aren't trading for these guys, they have nothing on the horizon which is going to cover all of those holes.

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If they aren't, the White Sox are in deep, deep, DEEP trouble.  Their top position player prospects took steps back this year, or at least didn't take any steps forward.  if they aren't trading for these guys, they have nothing on the horizon which is going to cover all of those holes.

Agreed. Hopefully,  some of the advanced college bays they drafted aren't too far away.

1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

2 again is my guess

If he only goes two innings, then why should another team dig deep for a trading package?

32 minutes ago, bmags said:

Go to the fangraphs or whatever your choice is of website's leaderboards. Go to the pitchers and look on the first page for players that signed for cheap this year that are now a top pitcher.

Now go to the position players. You'll have to go to page 3. 

Who is the Eric Fedde of position players this year? There are Fedde's every year. Building an offense out of FA would be committing to Rangers level of spending. You build your rotation first, they'll have atrophied by time you get the hitting. 

Twins/rangers...Baltimore. So many build their rotations later.

Let's get nuts...sign Juan Soto.

Edit: wild to me that he is younger than Oscar Colas and Chris Getz favorites Dominic Fletcher and Zach DeLoach.

Edited July 23, 20241 yr by Bob Sacamano

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Let's get nuts...sign Juan Soto.

He obviously is begging to come here.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5648504/2024/07/22/yankees-juan-soto-future-championship-chances/

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

He obviously is begging to come here.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5648504/2024/07/22/yankees-juan-soto-future-championship-chances/

$560M, 14 years. Get him for his age 26-39 seasons at $40M a year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/green

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

$560M, 14 years. Get him for his age 26-39 seasons at $40M a year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/green

f*** it

2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

$560M, 14 years. Get him for his age 26-39 seasons at $40M a year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/green

Jerry has his checkbook out already.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

Jerry has his checkbook out already.

Haha if they weren't going to do it when Harper was there for the taking, they won't do it now.

Just saw this proposed on MLB network, but something like this is also a great framework for Crochet.

 

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Just saw this proposed on MLB network, but something like this is also a great framework for Crochet.

 

I'll take less

2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I'll take less

Yeah I highly doubt they would do that deal. Kjerstad is hitting now.

 

 

Just now, DirtySox said:

 

 

I read this as “Hey Dodgers and O’s your offers suck, time to ? or get off the pot” 

7 minutes ago, Rey21 said:

I read this as “Hey Dodgers and O’s your offers suck, time to ? or get off the pot” 

Yup.

10 minutes ago, Rey21 said:

I read this as “Hey Dodgers and O’s your offers suck, time to ? or get off the pot” 

I read it as nothing because Morosi is bad and just tweets whatever all of the time.

Tallying up Passan's article from this morning:
All-in Buyers 2 (Dodgers, Yankees)
Non all-in Buyers 9 (Philly, Padres, DBacks, Braves, Cards, Mariners, Astros, Guards, Royals)
 

All out Sellers 4 (Sox, Nats, Angels, Marlins)
Partial Sellers 6 (As, Jays, Tigers, Rockies, Cubs, Reds)
The rest try to thread the needle in one way or another, with Texas TBD
Buyers:  11  Sellers: 10

If he's correct in his assessment, it really is more of an even market than a seller's market.

14 hours ago, GreenSox said:

Tallying up Passan's article from this morning:
All-in Buyers 2 (Dodgers, Yankees)
Non all-in Buyers 9 (Philly, Padres, DBacks, Braves, Cards, Mariners, Astros, Guards, Royals)
 

All out Sellers 4 (Sox, Nats, Angels, Marlins)
Partial Sellers 6 (As, Jays, Tigers, Rockies, Cubs, Reds)
The rest try to thread the needle in one way or another, with Texas TBD
Buyers:  11  Sellers: 10

If he's correct in his assessment, it really is more of an even market than a seller's market.

Where are the orioles? 
 

This doesn’t quantify need. The basic threshold of buying versus selling only factors in organizational strategy. The assets themselves and the need for those assets is the qualitative assessment that tells the real story. Buyers versus sellers by itself is a measurement but it’s misleading as the only variable looked at.