2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I just get the feeling Getz will take the best offer he can get prior to the season beginning and cut his losses of risk of holding him until the deadline similar to Cease.

Yeah I expect this as well unless someone is truly desperate (like BOS was). 

 

18 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Isn’t Robert’s track record also “major injury every year”?

Yes. Last year he played the second most games of his career in 4 full seasons and it was 100 games.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Bob Sacamano

1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I guess then why did Getz sign both Slater and Tauchman? Unless he is operating under the expectation that Robert will be gone. I wouldn't do it... But Getz has shown he would under certain circumstances imo.

He said those guys are his RF platoon.  Neither are really CF types.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

Isn’t Robert’s track record also “major injury every year”?

Major injury most years, but still incredibly productive on a per game basis.  He was just plain bad last year along with being injured.  Unless you think the 2024 version is here to stay, trading him for two post hype guys who are likely to amount to nothing is the definition of insanity.  Just hold into the season if that’s the best you can get.

7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Two post hype prospects for a CF under control for three more years and who put up nearly a 5 win season two years ago would be a bad deal.

How is Acuna “post hype”?

21 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

How is Acuna “post hype”?

Did you see his 2024 season?

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Did you see his 2024 season?

Sure. He’s 22 years old and struggled a bit hitting in AAA and then performed well in a limited time in MLB. Plays good defense, very good speed, versatile defender. He’s still a very solid prospect, not sure where you’re coming up with post hype.

Far from post hype imo

9 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Sure. He’s 22 years old and struggled a bit hitting in AAA and then performed well in a limited time in MLB. Plays good defense, very good speed, versatile defender. He’s still a very solid prospect, not sure where you’re coming up with post hype.

So he’s post hype in the same sense as Colson Montgomery?

Baty is already 25 and has put up a -0.7 WAR and an OPS+ of 70 in 544 AB's across parts of three seasons. He's bordering on bust territory. Acuña had a nice showing in a very small sample size in the bigs, but that's not enough to overlook a bad 2024 at AAA. I wouldn't be horribly opposed to either as secondary pieces, but neither of these guys should headline a Robert trade. 

4 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Baty is already 25 and has put up a -0.7 WAR and an OPS+ of 70 in 544 AB's across parts of three seasons. He's bordering on bust territory. Acuña had a nice showing in a very small sample size in the bigs, but that's not enough to overlook a bad 2024 at AAA. I wouldn't be horribly opposed to either as secondary pieces, but neither of these guys should headline a Robert trade. 

Acuna is a top 10 prospect for the Mets and a 50 FV prospect imo. The only position player prospect on the Mets I’d take ahead of him is Jett. I think you’re underselling him and very likely overvaluing Robert as well.

8 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

So let me get this straight, we should ignore Robert’s track record and assume he’s the 2024 version moving forward, while we should ignore Acuna’s terrible 2024 season and Baty’s failures in the majors and assume they will be meaningful pieces?

Admit all of their risks but split your stock to reduce your risk. Do you play the $1 slot once or the .50 cent twice.

Counterpoint to the Acuna hype: Lenyn Sosa is hitting .392 ..451 .765 with 9 HR in the same league. Maybe the pitching is not great.

Edited December 19, 20241 yr by Timmy U
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3 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

Baty is already 25 and has put up a -0.7 WAR and an OPS+ of 70 in 544 AB's across parts of three seasons. He's bordering on bust territory. Acuña had a nice showing in a very small sample size in the bigs, but that's not enough to overlook a bad 2024 at AAA. I wouldn't be horribly opposed to either as secondary pieces, but neither of these guys should headline a Robert trade. 

Even tho alot of people think Baty will eventually be a pretty good hitter, his profile isn't what Getz wants, for better or for worse.

Right now Getz wants up the middle SS and CF types with good gloves and good to decent speed on the basepaths. So I think he is gonna want Williams as the top piece and Acuna as the second. If he has to sell relatively low on Robert, then he's gonna try to get two pieces that NYM will also need to sell low on and hope he's filled two big holes with bounceback seasons from them.

Edited December 19, 20241 yr by SoCalChiSox

3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Acuna is a top 10 prospect for the Mets and a 50 FV prospect imo. The only position player prospect on the Mets I’d take ahead of him is Jett. I think you’re underselling him and very likely overvaluing Robert as well.

I wouldn’t touch Baty with a ten foot pole but I think you nailed it.  If Robert can net us either a top SS or CF prospect, you do the deal.  If he can somehow net both a SS and CF prospect, you accept the deal yesterday and nut in your pants.

Edited December 19, 20241 yr by WhiteSox2023

6 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Sure. He’s 22 years old and struggled a bit hitting in AAA and then performed well in a limited time in MLB. Plays good defense, very good speed, versatile defender. He’s still a very solid prospect, not sure where you’re coming up with post hype.

I love this justification, but the pure hatred you have for Robert

6 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Far from post hype imo

Let me know when he puts up a 4.8 fWAR win season

6 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Acuna is a top 10 prospect for the Mets and a 50 FV prospect imo. The only position player prospect on the Mets I’d take ahead of him is Jett. I think you’re underselling him and very likely overvaluing Robert as well.

It’s absolutely wild that you’re saying we’re overvaluing a dude who put up 4.8 fWAR two years ago while hyping up a Mets prospect who put up a 69 wRC+ in AAA last year.

2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It’s absolutely wild that you’re saying we’re overvaluing a dude who put up 4.8 fWAR two years ago while hyping up a Mets prospect who put up a 69 wRC+ in AAA last year.

So you focus on Acuna’s minor league season in 2024 but ignore his 2023 minor league season as well as his 2024 performance in mlb at age 22 and then focus on Robert’s 2023 season but ignore his 2024 season as well as his injury history across his entire career? Got it.

L. Acuna hasnt hit great in the minors. He's not posthype he's more like a never-was. great athlete who chases.

Baty is tempting as all heck though. Destroyed the minors.

48 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said:

L. Acuna hasnt hit great in the minors. He's not posthype he's more like a never-was. great athlete who chases.

Baty is tempting as all heck though. Destroyed the minors.

Acuna doesn’t have to mash to be a valuable big leaguer. He plays good defense and is very fast so he’ll provide lots of value on defense and baserunning. If he’s a 90 wRC+ type hitter in MLB he’s likely a 3-4 WAR player like Andres Gimenez the past two seasons.

8 hours ago, Timmy U said:

Counterpoint to the Acuna hype: Lenyn Sosa is hitting .392 ..451 .765 with 9 HR in the same league. Maybe the pitching is not great.

I'm pulling for Sosa. Ever since he got hit in the nose by our catcher's toss, he has been great.

8 hours ago, Timmy U said:

Counterpoint to the Acuna hype: Lenyn Sosa is hitting .392 ..451 .765 with 9 HR in the same league. Maybe the pitching is not great.

Why is that a counterpoint? Sosa’s biggest issue over his career hasn’t been his hitting. He’s hit at every level and is now adjusting to mlb too. Sosa carried a .964 OPS in MLB in September so he was clearly swinging a hot bat to end the season. Also, Sosa is two years older than Acuna.

I know I'm skewed because I loved Gilbert in the draft, but if the Mets offered Gilbert and you could get Baty+Acuna for lower than what they'd cost a few years ago, I could get behind that deal. Both teams would be betting on rebounds while the Sox get a top prospect that still has shine.

6 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Let me know when he puts up a 4.8 fWAR win season

To be fair, it’s more likely that no one they trade Robert for does.