December 16, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Boopa1219 said: The Sox should prioritize bats, but they are so far away from contention that I don’t get trading for specific positions. They need all the talent they can get, especially now. Just said what I would prefer, not that they should trade for a specific position. I do think if they trade Robert it will be for a primary prospect who they think will play up the middle, though,
December 16, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Crawford is an athlete right now who doesn’t run great routes and hits a lot of grounders, but also has great tools and held his own as a 20 year old in AA. He is still a work in progress, but I personally think the upside is worst the risk. Something is telling me the White Sox aren’t the organization that will teach him the things he needs to work on. Besides, if he’s taking bad routes, I don’t know how that is fixable. Going after balls is mostly instinct. If it isn’t there, it isn’t there.
December 16, 20241 yr The #Yankees have checked in with the #WhiteSox on CF Luis Robert Jr’s availability as a backup plan to Cody Bellinger. The Yankees are looking for an option to play Centerfield to allow Aaron Judge to go back to rightfield next season — Bartolo's Colonoscopy (@lakeview487) December 16, 2024
December 16, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Don't really like them as a trade partner but can't hurt to have them in the mix I guess.
December 16, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Don't really like them as a trade partner but can't hurt to have them in the mix I guess. Anything that makes the Reds panic and throw in their 2025 competitive balance draft pick.
December 16, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Anything that makes the Reds panic and throw in their 2025 competitive balance draft pick. Arroya Sirota (don't know much about him, just have seen his name tossed around here) Lesser pitcher Competitive Balance Pick Would people take this deal right now for Robert?
December 16, 20241 yr 36 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Arroya Sirota (don't know much about him, just have seen his name tossed around here) Lesser pitcher Competitive Balance Pick Would people take this deal right now for Robert? That just seems like a major overpay by the Reds. I would think Arroyo straight up is closer to reality, imo. Reds fans are more in line with your proposal though, which is good to see.
December 16, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: That just seems like a major overpay by the Reds. I would think Arroyo straight up is closer to reality, imo. Reds fans are more in line with your proposal though, which is good to see. Yeah it probably is a bit of an overpay right now. It's their #3, #14, and the pitcher could even be outside of their top 30 for all I care. Or no 4th piece needed if you get those first 3.
December 16, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah it probably is a bit of an overpay right now. It's their #3, #14, and the pitcher could even be outside of their top 30 for all I care. Or no 4th piece needed if you get those first 3. I think Getz wants that draft pick. And what we're thinking is too much, just listening to the FutureSox podcast, they brought up there's not many pure CFs on the market, so as Santander and Bellinger shake out, somebody might wind up on the outside looking in, and pull the trigger at close to the price tag.
December 16, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Something is telling me the White Sox aren’t the organization that will teach him the things he needs to work on. Besides, if he’s taking bad routes, I don’t know how that is fixable. Going after balls is mostly instinct. If it isn’t there, it isn’t there. If you have to think, you are already half a step behind.
December 16, 20241 yr Seems like Sox fans are down on Robert and would rather sell low. BTV has him around $13m in surplus (less then 3war/season). The prospects you get at that level would be pretty risky imo. If you hold onto him for the first half and he tears it up, then his surplus could almost triple. 4war would be $80 in value over 2.5 years with about $47.5m in cost. Its a contract year for him so I would hold at $13m in surplus value.
December 16, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, striker said: Seems like Sox fans are down on Robert and would rather sell low. BTV has him around $13m in surplus (less then 3war/season). The prospects you get at that level would be pretty risky imo. If you hold onto him for the first half and he tears it up, then his surplus could almost triple. 4war would be $80 in value over 2.5 years with about $47.5m in cost. Its a contract year for him so I would hold at $13m in surplus value. The smart play is to hold onto him and hope he has a great an injury free first half. The problem is the guy has done nothing but let me down, so I don't know if I think it's possible.
December 17, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, WestEddy said: I think Getz wants that draft pick. And what we're thinking is too much, just listening to the FutureSox podcast, they brought up there's not many pure CFs on the market, so as Santander and Bellinger shake out, somebody might wind up on the outside looking in, and pull the trigger at close to the price tag. Bellinger is the CFer there...definitely not Santander. He would push Judge back to RF in NY.
December 17, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, Rusty_Kuntz said: Just said what I would prefer, not that they should trade for a specific position. I do think if they trade Robert it will be for a primary prospect who they think will play up the middle, though, That seems to be the MO of Getz and this rebuild, he’s doing the classic up the middle approach
December 17, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, striker said: Seems like Sox fans are down on Robert and would rather sell low. BTV has him around $13m in surplus (less then 3war/season). The prospects you get at that level would be pretty risky imo. If you hold onto him for the first half and he tears it up, then his surplus could almost triple. 4war would be $80 in value over 2.5 years with about $47.5m in cost. Its a contract year for him so I would hold at $13m in surplus value. Getz already said he isn't going to give him away just because of last year so I doubt he will accept 13m SV for him. He seemed to suggest it was "refreshing" that other GMs seemed to agree that he had more value than just recent results. Interestingly, Arroyo from the Reds and Petty from the Reds both have around 13m SV each, so thats around 26-27 combined, I think most of us would take those two for Robert for sure, especially if our scouts believe Arroyo can not just stick at SS but be above average there.
December 17, 20241 yr 21 hours ago, WestEddy said: The #Yankees have checked in with the #WhiteSox on CF Luis Robert Jr’s availability as a backup plan to Cody Bellinger. The Yankees are looking for an option to play Centerfield to allow Aaron Judge to go back to rightfield next season — Bartolo's Colonoscopy (@lakeview487) December 16, 2024 Robert would look good in a Yankees uni. And...IF he is healthy, I bet would have a monster season with the protection in that lineup.
December 17, 20241 yr I like the Mets as a trade partner. They need a cf and a bat to protect Soto. They have a lot good not great prospects, most of which are blocked. Williams, Baty, Acuna, Maricio, Gilbert, Clifford, Rodriguez, Benge. Give me three of them and call it good.
December 17, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Three? They can't find anyone willing to offer up one legit player. Ugh
December 17, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Three? They can't find anyone willing to offer up one legit player. Then they need to hang onto him and hope he can recover enough value to get something at the deadline. If not... oh well. He'll take the Moncada route out of here.
December 17, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, almagest said: Then they need to hang onto him and hope he can recover enough value to get something at the deadline. If not... oh well. He'll take the Moncada route out of here. I agree, although it’s a bit concerning that he will once again have no protection at all.
December 17, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I agree, although it’s a bit concerning that he will once again have no protection at all. That definitely doesn't help him, but his approach and health are bigger problems.
December 17, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, almagest said: Then they need to hang onto him and hope he can recover enough value to get something at the deadline. If not... oh well. He'll take the Moncada route out of here. Or he'll go the Dylan Cease route - he'll rake for a few weeks in ST, then somebody's CF will get injured.
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