1 hour ago, hi8is said:

Which of Sale or Quintana did we turn down a Tucker focused trade for?

I remember he was almost on our team somehow.

I don’t think we turned it down, I think Gammons said we were asking for Martes, Tucker and Musgrove for Quintana

37 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Not without George Steinbrenner running things...

Exactly. And to me, Soto was more likely to resign with the Yankees than Tucker is with the Cubs.

^  I don’t think he is retiring fyi

He might re-sign though.

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Cubs going after Luzardo now…

 

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Cubs going after Luzardo now…

 

Miguel Vargas, former Top 40 prospect?

4 minutes ago, Quin said:

Miguel Vargas, former Top 40 prospect?

Arenado fits in there.

21 minutes ago, oldsox said:

Arenado fits in there.

I feel like the Cardinals would make it hurt.

41 minutes ago, Quin said:

I feel like the Cardinals would make it hurt.

They want to get rid of the salary, more than anything.

Maybe a 10-15% Cubs' premium.

 

Owned $52 million in salary for age 34-35-36 seasons plus another $46 million in deferred money from 2025-2041.

Who would pay Arenado $98 million for three years on the open market?

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/nolan-arenado/9777/stats?position=3B

7.2 fWAR his last great season in 2022...now essentially a 3 fWAR player going forward, until he really craters at some point.

Edited December 14, 20241 yr by caulfield12

"The Cubs traded for Tucker with full awareness that he might leave in 12 months and sign elsewhere. There is no guarantee that he will stay in Chicago or even that they will have an advantage in free-agent negotiations. In the case of the Yankees, they at least still have a top-five player in Aaron Judge following Soto’s departure, but the Cubs won’t likely have that type of security.

The trio of players the Cubs gave up represent a steep price for a one-year rental. But it’s understandable that the price was so high. Tucker is the type of player who can take a team over the top as a contender or — perhaps more aptly in Chicago’s case — take a borderline playoff team and push it into October. With Soto signed, Tucker was the only player available with that kind of ability.

But the Cubs need to be certain they have the rest of the pieces in place before Opening Day. Because they’ll likely get only one chance with Tucker on their roster."

 

"The deal instantly makes Tucker the best player in Chicago..."  Haha.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/with-addition-of-kyle-tucker-chicago-cubs-are-instantly-better--but-for-just-one-year-225812420.html

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19 hours ago, fathom said:

Hopefully he won’t sign an extension, but I actually think he will.  Bellinger to Yankees is next.  Cubs are a real threat to get Roki according to a person with info.

Suzuki and Imanaga make the Cubs a soft landing spot for Roki

42 minutes ago, kgrittenburg said:

Suzuki and Imanaga make the Cubs a soft landing spot for Roki

If Suzuki isn’t traded to clear Of spot and salary.

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If Suzuki isn’t traded to clear Of spot and salary.

Easier said than done.  Suzuki was originally in this deal going to the Astros.  He has a full no trade clause which he invoked.  He wants to stay in Chicago.

21 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Easier said than done.  Suzuki was originally in this deal going to the Astros.  He has a full no trade clause which he invoked.  He wants to stay in Chicago.

I'll give them Nick Nastrini.

I can't help  but wonder, why did Houston trade Tucker?

5 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

I can't help  but wonder, why did Houston trade Tucker?

He's going to be insanely expensive in one year and they probably don't think they can resign him so they are getting what they can for him.

15 hours ago, oldsox said:

Arenado fits in there.

From MLB.com today:

Dec. 14: Astros are 'serious suitor' for 3B Arenado (report)

The Astros have emerged as a "serious suitor" to acquire Cardinals third baseman Nolan Arenado, according to a report by The Athletic's Chandler Rome (subscription required).

Rome writes that no deal is imminent, but talks between the two clubs have picked up since this week's Winter Meetings. Arenado has a full no-trade clause, and it's unclear if he would waive it to go to Houston, per Rome. The Astros aren't on Arenado's wish list of six clubs that he'd be willing to accept a trade to. A source told MLB.com's John Denton that list includes the Dodgers, Padres, Angels, Phillies, Mets and Red Sox.

Arenado, 33, is owed $74 million across the next three seasons. The Astros acquired third baseman Isaac Paredes as part of a package that sent outfielder Kyle Tucker to the Cubs on Friday. However, Houston has a need at both corner-infield positions, and trading for Arenado, a 10-time Gold Glover, would ostensibly lead to Paredes moving to first base, a position at which he’s appeared in 71 games in the big leagues.

An Arenado trade would seemingly close the door on a potential reunion between the Astros and free-agent third baseman Alex Bregman. If there is no path back to Houston for Bregman, the Yankees and Red Sox are two clubs that are among the best fits for him, MLB Network insider Jon Paul Morosi said Friday.

Imagine losing Bregman and Tucker and then replacing them with what's left of Arenado. Houston's farm is pretty barren too. Cam Smith is instantly their best prospect by far. They really have to go for it this year. The window is closing rapidly.

5 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Imagine losing Bregman and Tucker and then replacing them with what's left of Arenado. Houston's farm is pretty barren too. Cam Smith is instantly their best prospect by far. They really have to go for it this year. The window is closing rapidly.

Luis Robert for Cam Smith + +

18 hours ago, striker said:

I don’t think we turned it down, I think Gammons said we were asking for Martes, Tucker and Musgrove for Quintana

Yep, that was the ask.  Would have been a nice deal even with Martes busting.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/white-sox-asked-astros-for-musgrove-martes-tucker-in-return-for-jose-quintana.html#google_vignette

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep, that was the ask.  Would have been a nice deal even with Martes busting.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/white-sox-asked-astros-for-musgrove-martes-tucker-in-return-for-jose-quintana.html#google_vignette

We all seem to be assuming the Sox would have developed them the same as the Astros.

Weird that the Orioles aren't shaking all the trees for guys like this.

 

Cubs and Marlins talking deal for starter Jesús Luzardo. Marlins want young controllable bat back.James Triantos or Owen Cassie would likely be in the deal. @BNightengale first to report Cubs interest.

— Bruce Levine (@MLBBruceLevine) December 14, 2024

 

12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Weird that the Orioles aren't shaking all the trees for guys like this.

 

 

Weird? Or exactly what you'd expect.

15 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Weird that the Orioles aren't shaking all the trees for guys like this.

 

 

Yes, I don’t get what Elias is doing.  How about just signing Quintana to whatever his estimated deal is?

9 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Weird? Or exactly what you'd expect.

Weird, cuz Elias already spent almost $60 million on two bats that weren’t exactly a necessity, when starting pitching is for the Orioles.  $60 million isn’t going to get an ace but it could have already bought a decent starter.

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