10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Isn’t the league minimum $800k though?  Why does an extra $150k really matter.  I’m guessing I’m missing something obvious here.

Regardless, I’m pretty sure his stuff graded out well last year.  As such, he was one good half season away from actual trade value like you said.  I don’t our current infatuation of lefties with fringe stuff.

Exactly.  Wilson’s arm must be shredded, and they know it.  No team, not even Jerry’s, would be that cheap over $150K.

Edited February 8, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

14 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

No room in their bullpen...likely AAA insurance guy.

I’m pretty sure he meant that the Padres will get more for Cease trading him away than what Getz got, not that the Padres would claim Wilson off waivers.

I understand not liking Drew Thorpe but posters calling the Cease trade a failure due to the 4th piece not working out is hilarious. We won’t have answers on that Cease return for years. 

35 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I understand not liking Drew Thorpe but posters calling the Cease trade a failure due to the 4th piece not working out is hilarious. We won’t have answers on that Cease return for years. 

You, yourself, when the trade was made, said it was a piece short. So when any of the pieces fail, it’s a bigger deal.

12 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

You, yourself, when the trade was made, said it was a piece short. So when any of the pieces fail, it’s a bigger deal.

Did I? I believe I said that about the Vargas deal. I was fine with the Dylan Cease trade at the time. They need a lot more out of Jairo Iriarte though. 

7 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Did I? I believe I said that about the Vargas deal. I was fine with the Dylan Cease trade at the time. They need a lot more out of Jairo Iriarte though. 

 

7 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Did I? I believe I said that about the Vargas deal. I was fine with the Dylan Cease trade at the time. They need a lot more out of Jairo Iriarte though. 

My mistake then. But to me, the Cease deal is down to Thorpe and Iriarte. I know people will still have some hope for Zavala, he was what I was most excited about when the trade was made, but while it’s probably occurred, the odds of a guy with a .174 average in high A with over 500 plate appearances being a productive major leaguer, are probably similar to White Sox playoff odds.

5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

 

My mistake then. But to me, the Cease deal is down to Thorpe and Iriarte. I know people will still have some hope for Zavala, he was what I was most excited about when the trade was made, but while it’s probably occurred, the odds of a guy with a .174 average in high A with over 500 plate appearances being a productive major leaguer, are probably similar to White Sox playoff odds.

It will be interesting to see what the Padres get for Cease with a year less of control if they decide to deal him this offseason.

17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

 

My mistake then. But to me, the Cease deal is down to Thorpe and Iriarte. I know people will still have some hope for Zavala, he was what I was most excited about when the trade was made, but while it’s probably occurred, the odds of a guy with a .174 average in high A with over 500 plate appearances being a productive major leaguer, are probably similar to White Sox playoff odds.

Willing to give Zavala this year. Looks like he has completely redone his swing and he is still super young. Takes a lot of walks, too.

19 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

 

My mistake then. But to me, the Cease deal is down to Thorpe and Iriarte. I know people will still have some hope for Zavala, he was what I was most excited about when the trade was made, but while it’s probably occurred, the odds of a guy with a .174 average in high A with over 500 plate appearances being a productive major leaguer, are probably similar to White Sox playoff odds.

He was 19.  Over 3 years younger than the avg player.  

Age relative to league.

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Exactly.  Wilson’s arm must be shredded, and they know it.  No team, not even Jerry’s, would be that cheap over $150K.

Lucas Giolito on line 1.

He's 2-3 years away right now.

The bigger problem is that he's not a CFer in the same way Montgomery isn't a major league SS.

That puts even more pressure on his bat.

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I understand not liking Drew Thorpe but posters calling the Cease trade a failure due to the 4th piece not working out is hilarious. We won’t have answers on that Cease return for years. 

It was always light and rushed.  This just makes it worse, even though pretty much everyone was already mad about getting a middle reliever instead of a prospect... and this is why.

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Lucas Giolito on line 1.

Point taken.  🤣

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2022/3/23/22993020/lucas-giolito-voices-frustration-over-arbitration-with-white-sox

Giolito said the sides were as close as $50,000 ($7.4 million and $7.45 million) in pre-filing negotiations before the Sox lowered their number.

7 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

He was 19.  Over 3 years younger than the avg player.  

Age relative to league.

So he was rushed?  

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It was always light and rushed.  This just makes it worse, even though pretty much everyone was already mad about getting a middle reliever instead of a prospect... and this is why.

There’s always a risk to the idea of acquiring another flippable asset rather than just getting an additional prospect.  Injury and poor performance from the supposedly flippable asset.  We got both from Wilson.

Edited February 8, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It was always light and rushed.  This just makes it worse, even though pretty much everyone was already mad about getting a middle reliever instead of a prospect... and this is why.

I disagree that it was rushed. I had no interest in taking Dylan Cease into the season and risking regression or injury. They had a couple offers from Texas and San Diego and those were by far the best offers they'd had to that point from what I understand. They could've held Cease and gotten more at the deadline potentially but I think it was enough to make the trade when they did. 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/steven-wilson-621051

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So he was rushed?  

No. He posted a 140 wRC+ in Low-A with San Diego prior to a promotion. Sox sent him to High-A as they should've. He struggled to hit but he walked at an 18% clip in High-A as a 19-year-old. He's definitely still a prospect. 

9 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I disagree that it was rushed. I had no interest in taking Dylan Cease into the season and risking regression or injury. They had a couple offers from Texas and San Diego and those were by far the best offers they'd had to that point from what I understand. They could've held Cease and gotten more at the deadline potentially but I think it was enough to make the trade when they did. 

Is that how you feel about Robert then? Because Cease has a better history of health than Robert.

Edited February 8, 20251 yr by Bob Sacamano

"That excellent return for two years of Crochet aside, the club’s offseason has mostly been defined by adding shorter-term ancillary pieces who could potentially be flipped at the trade deadline in July. Matt Thaiss, Cam Booser, Mike Tauchman, Austin Slater, Bryse Wilson, Josh Rojas, and Martin Perez all fit this category to one degree or another, with the latter five names all being signed to inexpensive one-year deals that should make them easily affordable for even budget-conscious contending clubs this summer should any of them play well enough to justify a trade."

 

Well, Getz did beat the Twins of the AL Central teams for best off season...

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/02/poll-whos-winning-the-offseason-in-the-al-central.html

 

"For now, Bader and Coulombe add up as a $9.25MM boost to the Twins’ payroll.  President of baseball operations Derek Falvey told reporters ( that the spending space came about after Twins chairman Joe Pohlad “greenlighted….the ability to add a little bit here to this team.  I think that’s a credit to them and certainly a tick up for us that allows us to add a little bit more to this roster that we feel already had a good base, but now we’ve clicked off some of those needs.”

Edited February 8, 20251 yr by caulfield12

14 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

He was 19.  Over 3 years younger than the avg player.  

Age relative to league.

It’s still .174. I made the same argument about Courtney Hawkins years ago. Got a few of the same comments you just gave. I get being young, but it’s 500 plate appearances. The ones who make it adjust. In A ball he was the same age deficit and did much better. It will be a miracle if he ever makes the major leagues let alone contributes to winning.

8 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

It’s still .174. I made the same argument about Courtney Hawkins years ago. Got a few of the same comments you just gave. I get being young, but it’s 500 plate appearances. The ones who make it adjust. In A ball he was the same age deficit and did much better. It will be a miracle if he ever makes the major leagues let alone contributes to winning.

He is now the 30th/31st rated prospect at BA.

Other than pitchers like a Davis Martin or maybe Romy Gonzalez at some point...hard to remember an impact player coming from so far back in the pack with the Sox.

Edited February 8, 20251 yr by caulfield12

14 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

If no team claims Wilson for under a million and the Sox retain him, that just means he’s likely toast anyways.

You previously said that you thought that the Cease trade was just one prospect light.  Well, now you would have to admit that it is at least two prospects short — the one you mentioned and the one everyone was expecting to obtain when Getz eventually flipped Wilson.

It’s becoming more and more clear that Getz and the team he assembled can’t actually scout and identify talent outside of some pitchers.  All of the position players they acquire fail miserably.  Getz and his team are good at one thing, the obvious, just like Hahn.  Taking back highly rated prospects in trades of stud players that Jerry doesn’t want to pay.  Big fucking deal — even a fan could trade a stud player for top prospects simply by looking at a team’s top 25 prospect listings.

Hahn at least got a couple decent years out of some of the prospects he acquired through trades.  Let’s wait for one of Getz’ stable to reach an All Star game before we compare him to Hahn.

12 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

It’s still .174. I made the same argument about Courtney Hawkins years ago. Got a few of the same comments you just gave. I get being young, but it’s 500 plate appearances. The ones who make it adjust. In A ball he was the same age deficit and did much better. It will be a miracle if he ever makes the major leagues let alone contributes to winning.

Courtney Hawkins.  C'mon man.  LOL

8 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Courtney Hawkins.  C'mon man.  LOL

People were excited after his debut. Was considered a top 55 prospect. The next year he went to high A. Was just as young or slightly younger for the level as Zavala. Didn’t walk as much, but had more power and hit .176.