CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep, didn’t this supposedly happen a few offseason back when people said teams were colluding not to sign free agents, when a bunch of players went unsigned to the start of the season? The only time you can collude is when the current labor agreement expires . Then owners and labor both collude with everyone looking out for their pocketbooks. There's going to be some deep trenches along the front lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 11 minutes ago, poppysox said: Baseball has created a system in which a team or two can afford to spend above the cap while others choose to play small ball. The illusion that any team can win isn't there anymore. I have no idea where tomorrow's fans will be coming from. I think the most disheartening thing is after a 5-8 year period of the luxury tax being a legitimate scare, we've now entered this era of "they'll just defer payments to stay under the luxury tax and players are cool because deferred payments of $100s of millions is not that upsetting". But hard not to want to see some changes because there is no team more greatly screwed by this CBA than the chicago white sox while owned by Reinsdorf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Ducksnort said: Right when the Sox are supposed to be competitive again. Just like in 2020 with the pandemic. We really are cursed aren't we. The Sox aren't going to be competitive in 2027 in my opinion so any type of labor unrest won't impact them from that standpoint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 33 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: The Sox aren't going to be competitive in 2027 in my opinion so any type of labor unrest won't impact them from that standpoint. Sure it will. Even if you think the MLB won't be competitive there is the hindered development of the prospects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: The easy solution is JR keep his shares until he dies but relinquishes control. Of course if Ishbia has control and starts throwing money at the Sox while JRs been slashing he's bound to see that $1.8B valuation rise at which point the Brothers Reinsdorf sell their shares to Ishbia at a predetermined price between the 1.8 valuation and a new higher valuation. Edited February 24 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 19 minutes ago, ptatc said: Sure it will. Even if you think the MLB won't be competitive there is the hindered development of the prospects. I may be wrong but any type of labor issues at the MLB level doesn't mean the minor league players/games won't continue, so they can still get work in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 18 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I may be wrong but any type of labor issues at the MLB level doesn't mean the minor league players/games won't continue, so they can still get work in. They are now a part of the union, so that might not be true anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 27 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I may be wrong but any type of labor issues at the MLB level doesn't mean the minor league players/games won't continue, so they can still get work in. 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They are now a part of the union, so that might not be true anymore. 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: The Sox aren't going to be competitive in 2027 in my opinion so any type of labor unrest won't impact them from that standpoint. If the Sox aren't competitive in 2027, something went really wrong. They have a top 5 system no money on the books going forward. It would be a huge problem if this prospect core ins't in the big leagues to close out 2026 at basically the latest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: If the Sox aren't competitive in 2027, something went really wrong. They have a top 5 system no money on the books going forward. It would be a huge problem if this prospect core ins't in the big leagues to close out 2026 at basically the latest. The position player core is not there yet. They have a few question marks at the top of the system, and then the core is much younger. There are just so many position holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The position player core is not there yet. They have a few question marks at the top of the system, and then the core is much younger. There are just so many position holes. For sure. Two more high draft picks and a Robert trade return should help though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The position player core is not there yet. They have a few question marks at the top of the system, and then the core is much younger. There are just so many position holes. Yes but Ishbia is signing Tucker and Vlad. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 11 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Yes but Ishbia is signing Tucker and Vlad. If ownership changes, I will rerack my expectations, but as of now, it is going to be YEARS. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Exactly. That's what I've been sayin' my man. They streamlined the s%*#. It's a smart move, technically. IIRC, the approval process is a bit different if it's a current shareholder, it allows him to control who gets his team, keeps the capital gains tax low, and ups the value of his franchise when if he gets the stadium built before his shares are sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 19 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: For sure. Two more high draft picks and a Robert trade return should help though. And a little luck with pitchers health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 22 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Yes but Ishbia is signing Tucker and Vlad. I know you're joking, but he and his brother did immediately go get Durant. They also acquired Bradley Beal, so take it for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 34 minutes ago, nitetrain8601 said: It's a smart move, technically. IIRC, the approval process is a bit different if it's a current shareholder, it allows him to control who gets his team, keeps the capital gains tax low, and ups the value of his franchise when if he gets the stadium built before his shares are sold. I think getting a new stadium on the 78 is a stretch but the rest of it isn't. Share price will still rise . Building a new stadium might be completely Ishbia's baby. But we're getting ahead of ourselves now. Let's see what happens and if we get some answers on the 28th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep, didn’t this supposedly happen a few offseason back when people said teams were colluding not to sign free agents, when a bunch of players went unsigned to the start of the season? There have been a bunch of formal accusations, and many more soft ones, including the last few years where a few free agents said every offer they would receive was remarkably similar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_collusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: If ownership changes, I will rerack my expectations, but as of now, it is going to be YEARS. I tend to agree with you. Their position prospects are brutal. Colson is a huge question mark, Teel is a C, Robert will be gone and we know the rest are a bucket of suck. They would need huge investments into FA/international FA and to stop drafting LHP only in the first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I may be wrong but any type of labor issues at the MLB level doesn't mean the minor league players/games won't continue, so they can still get work in. I believe they are part of the union. But even if not, prolonging the time they can't get to the MLB will hinder the progress of the ones that are ready for that step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I reached out to a source who has been connected to the Sox organization for decades just to get their thoughts. For what it is worth this was the reply: "My understanding with Ishiba is he is offering a fair price to current investors to buy up their shares. A number of them have taken him up on his offer. Jerry and Michael like him . He is building a massive home on the North Shore of Chicago which would lead you to believe he is focusing on potentially purchasing the club. He definitely fits the mold of whom Jerry would sell to, but at the present time, Jerry still has no intention to sell. However, with Jerry turning 89 tomorrow and the pending lockout in ‘27, many feel he is getting ready to sell. Makes for interesting happenings on the South Side for the next year or so." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: The Sox aren't going to be competitive in 2027 in my opinion so any type of labor unrest won't impact them from that standpoint. Maybe not competitive yet, but they should at least be getting interesting by then a la the 2019 sox. At any rate, by 2027 they should have some young players on the MLB roster that they envision as part of the future core. Them missing those major league reps would definitely be a hindrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: Yes but Ishbia is signing Tucker and Vlad. Those are just the first two of many signings! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 2/22/2025 at 5:43 PM, SoCalChiSox said: This reminds me of how like 8 different Presidential administrations in a row kept saying Castro can't survive forever and he just outlasted administration after administration. Castro died at age 90. Jerry is about to turn 89.....and we're on the 8th Presidential administration since Jerry and Eddie bought the Sox. And yeah, this means absolutely nothing, but I'm just pointing that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I reached out to a source who has been connected to the Sox organization for decades just to get their thoughts. For what it is worth this was the reply: "My understanding with Ishiba is he is offering a fair price to current investors to buy up their shares. A number of them have taken him up on his offer. Jerry and Michael like him . He is building a massive home on the North Shore of Chicago which would lead you to believe he is focusing on potentially purchasing the club. He definitely fits the mold of whom Jerry would sell to, but at the present time, Jerry still has no intention to sell. However, with Jerry turning 89 tomorrow and the pending lockout in ‘27, many feel he is getting ready to sell. Makes for interesting happenings on the South Side for the next year or so." Unless you guys are talking to Jerry or Michael or the Partners at BDT & MSD, everything else will just be noise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 So even if Ishbia has more shares than Reinsdorf, Reinsdorf is still calling the shots? Is that what Im hearing? Does Ishbia need 50%+ to get full control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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