Rojas has fractured toe...

[WhiteSox2023]

8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah I don’t see what’s wrong with wanting guys with some upside, especially power-wise. It’s no different than wanting to take a chance on a guy like Gage Workman. We would have just found out he sucked here anyway. It’s no big deal.

Exactly, just like 40% strikeout rate Greg Jones.  But of course you don’t see WE laughing about that acquisition.  There’s a reason these guys are available.

Edited April 28 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

15 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Other people sucking on other teams isn't really a great defense for guys sucking on our team.

You guys call everything I say a defense of Chris Getz. It seems that accusation is more a deflection than anything I can say. 

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah I don’t see what’s wrong with wanting guys with some upside, especially power-wise. It’s no different than wanting to take a chance on a guy like Gage Workman. We would have just found out he sucked here anyway. It’s no big deal.

It's the difference between a guy who will most likely suck,  but has six years of control if he doesn't, and a guy who has historically sucked, and has no control even if he doesn't suck again.  This seems obvious to me, but I guess not.

[caulfield12]

https://www.mlb.com/stats/ops?page=2

Arguably 15 of these players could have been or were White Sox at one point or another.

The problem is we'll bring up a Ben Rice or Austin Hays or whoever and it will always be he wouldn't be willing to sign with an AL Central team or JR won't authorize new contracts over $5 or we don't have the trade capital to pull it off...there can always be some sort of excuse or defense.

That was Hahn...that was KW.

If we're now relegated to puff pieces on Colson's athleticism for SS when he's hitting around .170 or whatever...it's a bit worrisome since this rebuild seems largely based on the young prospects becoming stars rather than big-time FA spending.

Give him some time.

Can't waste even a single year.

But time keeps ticking away.

Minus major major changes it's going to be four years of 100+ loss teams...and a product we can't even give away for free in the face of the Cubs having one of the most entertaining teams in baseball.

Even the burst of Ishbia excitement has been been dampened.

[caulfield12]

15 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You guys call everything I say a defense of Chris Getz. It seems that accusation is more a deflection than anything I can say. 

Deflection from what?

Blaming Reinsdorf instead for the majority of this current predicament instead of Getz?

There's more than enough of that, too.

It's simply that a modern GM has to be a lot more accountable than an owner so set in his ways and incapable of change or evolving will ever be.  The ivory towers are impenetrable and well insulated from criticism from down below.

[JoeC]

30 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

...or candy!

[PaleAleSox]

Yes I thought he was referring to Rojas because of the title. Didn't see the tweet above and already forgot Maton existed.

[WestEddy]

13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The masterful WestEddy who can’t stop himself from misrepresenting and outright lying about what other posters have said about players.

I always said Canario could easily suck and be a bust but I’d still rather play him over bad vet outfielders because at least Canario is 24 with power as a tool and could potentially have a future.

Meanwhile, Getz didn’t choose Canario but he did choose Maton and Maton basically was the full-time DH while he was on the Sox.  Maton and his .173/.295/.327/.622 line.  He was just DFA’ed and no other team wanted him, just like the majority of Getz’s DFA’ed players.

So does WestEddy question the great GM wizard Getz for this acquisition?  No, instead he deflects on any criticism of our awful GM and posts some BS to dig at me.  Makes sense…  🤡 

Why would I question Getz for picking up a LH bat on a minor league contract during the off-season? Maton had a hot spring training, and 3 key injuries to starters opened a spot for him. That happens every year on multiple teams. Guy plays his way onto the 26-man. Big deal. All of that is true and not a misrepresentation of anything. You also seem to have a fixation on players passing through waivers unclaimed without considering that other teams might have to cut a player to claim Maton, or maybe they're good with their LHH depth in AAA. Again, not a huge indictment for signing a player to a minor league contract. 

Need I remind you, the White Sox are in a rebuild, and it's assumed their players won't be as good as those on contending teams. No lie. 

If there was a choice between Maton and Canario, it was a choice between a LHH with ML experience who also had the defensive flexibility to play IF and OF, and a RHH corner OF with one carrying tool. I actually think Getz made a better choice in taking Workman who will be a step up from Amaya, and has already taken steps towards solving his own swing and miss problems. 

So, yeah, I'll give Getz a C- for being left with Maton as the best 26th man after a slew of injuries, I'll give him a B for picking up Workman, and an A+ for avoiding the clusterfuck of a mediocre OF prospect who will strike out even while sitting on the bench. 

[WhiteSox2023]

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Why would I question Getz for picking up a LH bat on a minor league contract during the off-season? Maton had a hot spring training, and 3 key injuries to starters opened a spot for him. That happens every year on multiple teams. Guy plays his way onto the 26-man. Big deal. All of that is true and not a misrepresentation of anything. You also seem to have a fixation on players passing through waivers unclaimed without considering that other teams might have to cut a player to claim Maton, or maybe they're good with their LHH depth in AAA. Again, not a huge indictment for signing a player to a minor league contract. 

Need I remind you, the White Sox are in a rebuild, and it's assumed their players won't be as good as those on contending teams. No lie. 

If there was a choice between Maton and Canario, it was a choice between a LHH with ML experience who also had the defensive flexibility to play IF and OF, and a RHH corner OF with one carrying tool. I actually think Getz made a better choice in taking Workman who will be a step up from Amaya, and has already taken steps towards solving his own swing and miss problems. 

So, yeah, I'll give Getz a C- for being left with Maton as the best 26th man after a slew of injuries, I'll give him a B for picking up Workman, and an A+ for avoiding the clusterfuck of a mediocre OF prospect who will strike out even while sitting on the bench. 

Let’s be honest.  Maton sucks and should have never been in the position to get the majority of at bats at DH for any MLB team.  Also, no other team wants him.  The end.  I didn’t need 250 words to tell the truth and neither should you.

What grade does Getz get for acquiring Greg Jones instead of Canario then?  30 strikeouts in 62 at bats in AAA.  That was a much better move.

[WestEddy]

43 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah I don’t see what’s wrong with wanting guys with some upside, especially power-wise. It’s no different than wanting to take a chance on a guy like Gage Workman. We would have just found out he sucked here anyway. It’s no big deal.

There isn't anything wrong with wanting a guy like Canario. I thought he'd be an interesting pickup. I'm sentient enough to understand the drawbacks to rostering a guy like Canario and trying to fix him at the major league level, and not rail on day after day for our GM taking a pass on this particular case. 

Hey, look!! He picked up another guy he has to roster all season, but the 2nd guy has positional flexibility, and more than one carrying tool. He's also taken huge steps towards solving his own swing and miss problems. It's also a situation, where if they get through this season with him on the 26-man, they have him for 5 more years, with 3 options. 

And if they rostered Canario, I wouldn't be screaming after every strikeout how the GM who signed him sucks and has no business baseball. 

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

There isn't anything wrong with wanting a guy like Canario. I thought he'd be an interesting pickup. I'm sentient enough to understand the drawbacks to rostering a guy like Canario and trying to fix him at the major league level, and not rail on day after day for our GM taking a pass on this particular case. 

Hey, look!! He picked up another guy he has to roster all season, but the 2nd guy has positional flexibility, and more than one carrying tool. He's also taken huge steps towards solving his own swing and miss problems. It's also a situation, where if they get through this season with him on the 26-man, they have him for 5 more years, with 3 options. 

And if they rostered Canario, I wouldn't be screaming after every strikeout how the GM who signed him sucks and has no business baseball. 

You are sitting here talking about a guy Getz didn’t acquire when we are all watching the bums and busts that he actually DID acquire.

The best hitter in the lineup was acquired by Hahn.

[WestEddy]

14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Let’s be honest.  Maton sucks and should have never been in the position to get the majority of at bats at DH for any MLB team.  Also, no other team wants him.  The end.  I didn’t need 250 words to tell the truth and neither should you.

What grade does Getz get for acquiring Greg Jones instead of Canario then?  30 strikeouts in 62 at bats in AAA.  That was a much better move.

That's what called AAA depth. And yes, AAA depth should be able to step in and play a position for a couple of weeks in the absence of the intended starter. It's stupid to keep trotting out the "no other teams wanted him" canard. He costs a 40-man roster slot. There are monetary and opportunity costs to that. Using a million words wouldn't help you make sense of your rantings. 

You keep brining up Greg Jones. The point of AAA depth is to be able to fill a spot on the major league roster. Jones has elite speed, and is said to play elite CF defense. That already exists. They don't have to teach Jones how to run or how to catch a baseball in the major leagues. If Getz runs into a situation where he trades Robert and Taylor gets injured, he has somebody on the 40-man who could stand in CF for a few games while they figure out their roster. Jones also offers the flexibility of an option, which Canario doesn't. So for the role he has to fill, I'd give Getz a B+ for acquiring an actual CF as depth who can be shuttled back and forth from AAA to MLB. 

[caulfield12]

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You are sitting here talking about a guy Getz didn’t acquire when we are all watching the bums and busts that he actually DID acquire.

The best hitter in the lineup was acquired by Hahn.

Brooks Baldwin has been on a nice little run recently but he's still hardly into plus fWAR territory due to his issues on the defensive side of the ball.

He does have good speed...but it's unclear yet if he's going to be more than?a super utility player.

[WestEddy]

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You are sitting here talking about a guy Getz didn’t acquire when we are all watching the bums and busts that he actually DID acquire.

The best hitter in the lineup was acquired by Hahn.

I thought Getz had culpability in every single move the previous regime made, just by being part of it. Pick a lane, grandpa. 

[caulfield12]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

That's what called AAA depth. And yes, AAA depth should be able to step in and play a position for a couple of weeks in the absence of the intended starter. It's stupid to keep trotting out the "no other teams wanted him" canard. He costs a 40-man roster slot. There are monetary and opportunity costs to that. Using a million words wouldn't help you make sense of your rantings. 

You keep brining up Greg Jones. The point of AAA depth is to be able to fill a spot on the major league roster. Jones has elite speed, and is said to play elite CF defense. That already exists. They don't have to teach Jones how to run or how to catch a baseball in the major leagues. If Getz runs into a situation where he trades Robert and Taylor gets injured, he has somebody on the 40-man who could stand in CF for a few games while they figure out their roster. Jones also offers the flexibility of an option, which Canario doesn't. So for the role he has to fill, I'd give Getz a B+ for acquiring an actual CF as depth who can be shuttled back and forth from AAA to MLB. 

The worst team in baseball gave up on him...so he ended up with the second worst team.

There have been hundreds and hundreds of previous Greg Joneses who didn't make it due to their hit tools not developing, unfortunately.

[WestEddy]

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

The worst team in baseball gave up on him...so he ended up with the second worst team.

There have been hundreds and hundreds of previous Greg Joneses who didn't make it due to their hit tools not developing, unfortunately.

Oh well. Nobody's banking on his hit tool developing. He's reported to be capable of elite CF defense. He's a place holder. Rebuilding teams still need to play all the games. You guys should really talk to a professional about the shame you take on over "the worst team in baseball" cutting a player we picked up. That really doesn't register with me. 

[WhiteSox2023]

Congrats to Getz for acquiring a CF in Greg Jones for the minors that can play in case Robert is traded and Taylor is injured.  And he gets a B+ for this move?  A dude that would likely strikeout in 50+ percent of his at bats in the majors in a full-time role.  If the Sox ever need a CF that badly, there is always some bum available like Travis Jankowski who was probably traded to the Rays for a dollar.

Edited April 28 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Congrats to Getz for acquiring a CF in Greg Jones for the minors that can play in case Robert is traded and Taylor is injured.  And he gets a B+ for this move?  A dude that would likely strikeout in 50+ percent of his at bats in the majors in a full-time role.  If the Sox ever need a CF that badly, there is always some bum available like Travis Jankowski who was probably traded to the Rays for a dollar.

Apparently, there isn't. Pittsburgh doesn't seem to have fixed Canario after a month. And the problem is, if they make it to the end of the season with him and still see something to fix, they have to do it all over at the major league level next year, too. If the Sox see anything in Jones, they can do it at AAA. If they see anything in Workman, they just need to stow him for 5 more months, then they have about 7-8 years of control with 3 options. Hell, Workman probably hits better than Amaya right now, and might play the same level of defense, which is above average. 

[oldsox]

I smell a roster move before Tuesday game.

[Bob Sacamano]

14 minutes ago, oldsox said:

I smell a roster move before Tuesday game.

Do you actually know or just hopeful lol

[oldsox]

24 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Do you actually know or just hopeful lol

Hopeful. 6th sense.

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Apparently, there isn't. Pittsburgh doesn't seem to have fixed Canario after a month. And the problem is, if they make it to the end of the season with him and still see something to fix, they have to do it all over at the major league level next year, too. If the Sox see anything in Jones, they can do it at AAA. If they see anything in Workman, they just need to stow him for 5 more months, then they have about 7-8 years of control with 3 options. Hell, Workman probably hits better than Amaya right now, and might play the same level of defense, which is above average. 

The Sox and Pirates are so bad, they could roster numerous failed prospects, regardless of options, and try to fix them during the season.  Jones is already 27.  He is no different than DeLoach, Fletcher, etc., an aging career minor leaguer and soon to be DFA material.

The fact that Getz was willing to start the season with two Rule 5 players and also add a third shows what his priorities are.  Even if Workman doesn’t gain the 3 options, it won’t matter much.  He’s an aging middling prospect that needs to pan out sooner rather than later.  Afterall, how excited are we about the several years of control Getz has over his last group of failed acquisitions like DeLoach and Fletcher?  Years of control over crappy players doesn’t mean much.

The more important and sad part of the story regarding Workman is that he could actually get real playing time at SS because our top SS prospect looks like he’s absolutely flopped in his second season at AAA.  He’s the guy that truly needed to be fixed.

Edited April 28 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Sox and Pirates are so bad, they could roster numerous failed prospects, regardless of options, and try to fix them during the season.  Jones is already 27.  He is no different than DeLoach, Fletcher, etc., an aging career minor leaguer and soon to be DFA material.

The fact that Getz was willing to start the season with two Rule 5 players and also add a third shows what his priorities are.  Even if Workman doesn’t gain the 3 options, it won’t matter much.  He’s an aging middling prospect that needs to pan out sooner rather than later.  Afterall, how excited are we about the several years of control Getz has over his last group of failed acquisitions like DeLoach and Fletcher?  Years of control over crappy players doesn’t mean much.

The more important and sad part of the story regarding Workman is that he could actually get real playing time at SS because our top SS prospect looks like he’s absolutely flopped in his second season at AAA.  He’s the guy that truly needed to be fixed.

The whole point is to roster prospects they think they can work with. Canario is a guy who needs a lot of work. It's fair that a lot of organizations looked at him and decided he was either a waste of a roster spot, or his problems weren't in the wheel house of what they can work with. They have years to work with a guy like George Wolkow, or even Workman. 

The whole point of prospects is to get multiple players in multiple levels, and maybe one will be ready. Am I "excited" about Fletcher, Julks, DeLoach, Mitchell and Colas? No. But Fletcher looks like he can replace Palacios and play better defense. That's all you're looking for, right now, not a guy who's going to turn into A-Rod. 

And they are working with C. Montgomery. That's why you keep drafting guys like Bonemer and trading for William Bergollas. 

[southsider2k5]

53 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The whole point is to roster prospects they think they can work with. Canario is a guy who needs a lot of work. It's fair that a lot of organizations looked at him and decided he was either a waste of a roster spot, or his problems weren't in the wheel house of what they can work with. They have years to work with a guy like George Wolkow, or even Workman. 

The whole point of prospects is to get multiple players in multiple levels, and maybe one will be ready. Am I "excited" about Fletcher, Julks, DeLoach, Mitchell and Colas? No. But Fletcher looks like he can replace Palacios and play better defense. That's all you're looking for, right now, not a guy who's going to turn into A-Rod. 

And they are working with C. Montgomery. That's why you keep drafting guys like Bonemer and trading for William Bergollas. 

Well if this was the case for the Sox it makes a ton of sense because they have yet to find players they seem to be able to work with as they have failed with highly ranked prospects, highly drafted prospects,  top rated international prospects, and everything else down the line.  It must be why they have an affinity for older utility guys, but not raw or flawed prospects. 

[caulfield12]

21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Well if this was the case for the Sox it makes a ton of sense because they have yet to find players they seem to be able to work with as they have failed with highly ranked prospects, highly drafted prospects,  top rated international prospects, and everything else down the line.  It must be why they have an affinity for older utility guys, but not raw or flawed prospects. 

Couldn't work with Colas, can't fix Robert....so therefore can't be successful with Canario, lol?

Seems like an associative theory or math thread, if A=B and B=C, then...other than occasional successes on the pitching front, they still haven't defined what their niche or wheelhouse even is, exactly.

 

It's always these arguments where there's a handful of Romy Gonzalezes and Alex Calls out there, so maybe they simply drafted the wrong players, or couldn't develop the players they did draft or sign, so which is it, precisely?