hogan873 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 16 hours ago, almagest said: Sosa is fine for where they're at as a team. I don't need to see any more Rojas or Capra. Honestly, Sosa would be fine at 2B if the team was in contention. He's a good example of giving a player continued exposure at the MLB level to see what they are. He's just gotten better, especially with the bat. He's okay at 2B but needs to stay way from 1B. And there's no reason to see Capra get another AB. Rojas isn't any good either, but getting one or two starts a week at 2B is fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 16 minutes ago, hogan873 said: Honestly, Sosa would be fine at 2B if the team was in contention. He's a good example of giving a player continued exposure at the MLB level to see what they are. He's just gotten better, especially with the bat. He's okay at 2B but needs to stay way from 1B. And there's no reason to see Capra get another AB. Rojas isn't any good either, but getting one or two starts a week at 2B is fine. This is the daily reminder that Vinny Capra has 10 hits for the entire season, whereas Brooks Baldwin has 14 home runs between Chicago and Charlotte. Sosa and Baldwin need all the burn they can get right now. There's no reason for Capra, and probably Rojas, to be around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Honestly, post trade deadline the lineup should be something like this: 1B: Elko 2B: Sosa SS: Meidroth 3B: Vargas LF: Ramos CF. Fletcher RF: Baldwin DH: Quero/Teel CA: Teel/Quero Hell, zero reason not to cut Rojas at this point or at least punt his ass to the bench permanently to give Sosa free rein at 2B. I’d just give Elko the 1B job right now so we can fully assess what he may be ahead of next season. Baldwin should already be getting everyday at-bats somewhere in the OF, so call his ass up. Give Fletcher one last shot after moving all the OF vets even if I remain highly skeptical. Ramos could use a bit more time in AAA, but his underlying metrics appear better than his actual results and he should probably get a shot at some point in the 2nd half. I’d also call up Lee so that Quero & Teel can get everyday at-bats between C & DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Honestly, post trade deadline the lineup should be something like this: 1B: Elko 2B: Sosa SS: Meidroth 3B: Vargas LF: Ramos CF. Fletcher RF: Baldwin DH: Quero/Teel CA: Teel/Quero Hell, zero reason not to cut Rojas at this point or at least punt his ass to the bench permanently to give Sosa free rein at 2B. I’d just give Elko the 1B job right now so we can fully assess what he may be ahead of next season. Baldwin should already be getting everyday at-bats somewhere in the OF, so call his ass up. Give Fletcher one last shot after moving all the OF vets even if I remain highly skeptical. Ramos could use a bit more time in AAA, but his underlying metrics appear better than his actual results and he should probably get a shot at some point in the 2nd half. I’d also call up Lee so that Quero & Teel can get everyday at-bats between C & DH. I’d be good with Rojas sticking on the bench over Capra. Wasn’t Rojas supposed to be a backup at SS? One of the reasons I didn’t like the signing over just finding a veteran backup IF who was primarily a middle infielder over a 3B/2B where we had some depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I’d be good with Rojas sticking on the bench over Capra. Wasn’t Rojas supposed to be a backup at SS? One of the reasons I didn’t like the signing over just finding a veteran backup IF who was primarily a middle infielder over a 3B/2B where we had some depth. I wasn’t a fan of Rojas for similar reasons. At this point, Vargas at 3B and Sosa at 2B should be near everyday things. Rojas is fine in a bench role if need be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Honestly, post trade deadline the lineup should be something like this: 1B: Elko 2B: Sosa SS: Meidroth 3B: Vargas LF: Ramos CF. Fletcher RF: Baldwin DH: Quero/Teel CA: Teel/Quero Hell, zero reason not to cut Rojas at this point or at least punt his ass to the bench permanently to give Sosa free rein at 2B. I’d just give Elko the 1B job right now so we can fully assess what he may be ahead of next season. Baldwin should already be getting everyday at-bats somewhere in the OF, so call his ass up. Give Fletcher one last shot after moving all the OF vets even if I remain highly skeptical. Ramos could use a bit more time in AAA, but his underlying metrics appear better than his actual results and he should probably get a shot at some point in the 2nd half. I’d also call up Lee so that Quero & Teel can get everyday at-bats between C & DH. i like Baldwin, but not sure he's a everyday outfielder. He's a good defender at 3b and I don't think Elko is a high-probability mlb player. Maybe move Vargas to 1b? He's better over there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Lenyn is just a solid big leaguer. Sox fans are too used to everybody being horrible so they have a hard time seeing a player with flaws without assuming that he's 100% flaws. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 13 minutes ago, Timmy U said: i like Baldwin, but not sure he's a everyday outfielder. He's a good defender at 3b and I don't think Elko is a high-probability mlb player. Maybe move Vargas to 1b? He's better over there. For me, it’s all about giving the most young guys at-bats and seeing who can play where. I am not an Elko believer by any means, but this is the season to give him a shot and see if he does something with the opportunity. Will help come to a 40 man roster decision faster. Vargas is probably better at 1B, but his bat is also less valuable there so why not give him an extended run at 3B to see if he might get better? With Colson no longer a major threat, the spot is open for the taking. Sosa doesn’t really have a potential long-term spot outside of 2B so I’d just let him run with that for now. For him, the focus should be learning some semblance of plate discipline, but even with say a 110 wRC+ he needs to play an actual position instead of just DHing to be of any real value. Baldwin may not be an everyday OF, but he’s capable of handling the corners to some extent and that’s the quickest path to at-bats. I also think it’s an area that he needs to work on because I think his ideal role on a legit championship club is 10th man who fills in everywhere and can replace a guy who goes down with injury without the spot imploding. I am confident he can handle 2B and wouldn’t be upset if that’s his long term outcome. I candidly haven’t been following Ramos as much as I should, but I’ve always felt like he was a dude who’d need to learn the OF because of the Colson factor. With Montgomery’s struggles, Bryan may end up being the answer at 3B long-term and push Vargas elsewhere on the field, but my current order of operations would be to prioritize Miguel from a defensive position this season. Vargas has shown me enough to believe he is a major league hitter. We need to find his ideal long-term home defensively so we can start filling out the rest of the roster around him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 2 hours ago, hogan873 said: Honestly, Sosa would be fine at 2B if the team was in contention. He's a good example of giving a player continued exposure at the MLB level to see what they are. He's just gotten better, especially with the bat. He's okay at 2B but needs to stay way from 1B. And there's no reason to see Capra get another AB. Rojas isn't any good either, but getting one or two starts a week at 2B is fine. I don't see Sosa as more than a second division regular or bench player on a good team because of his chase rate. He's the worst regular in baseball at swinging outside the zone. That'll limit his ceiling to probably about what he is right now. That is still light years ahead of what we've had at second for a while, though. Put him at second until someone better moves up through the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Get's his wRC+ up to 100. All this guy does in his career is get better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 30 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Get's his wRC+ up to 100. All this guy does in his career is get better. Can he use some of those upgrade points on the glove soon? Because, damn 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Wonder if Fuller is working with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 On 6/26/2025 at 9:28 AM, Chicago White Sox said: For me, it’s all about giving the most young guys at-bats and seeing who can play where. I am not an Elko believer by any means, but this is the season to give him a shot and see if he does something with the opportunity. Will help come to a 40 man roster decision faster. Vargas is probably better at 1B, but his bat is also less valuable there so why not give him an extended run at 3B to see if he might get better? With Colson no longer a major threat, the spot is open for the taking. Sosa doesn’t really have a potential long-term spot outside of 2B so I’d just let him run with that for now. For him, the focus should be learning some semblance of plate discipline, but even with say a 110 wRC+ he needs to play an actual position instead of just DHing to be of any real value. Baldwin may not be an everyday OF, but he’s capable of handling the corners to some extent and that’s the quickest path to at-bats. I also think it’s an area that he needs to work on because I think his ideal role on a legit championship club is 10th man who fills in everywhere and can replace a guy who goes down with injury without the spot imploding. I am confident he can handle 2B and wouldn’t be upset if that’s his long term outcome. I candidly haven’t been following Ramos as much as I should, but I’ve always felt like he was a dude who’d need to learn the OF because of the Colson factor. With Montgomery’s struggles, Bryan may end up being the answer at 3B long-term and push Vargas elsewhere on the field, but my current order of operations would be to prioritize Miguel from a defensive position this season. Vargas has shown me enough to believe he is a major league hitter. We need to find his ideal long-term home defensively so we can start filling out the rest of the roster around him. It’s absolutely wild how our perception of Colson has changed in just a little over a month. You and I, and probably everyone else, did not envision Colson being a major part of the future core. Now he’s been one of the best players in the game since the all-star break. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 17 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: It’s absolutely wild how our perception of Colson has changed in just a little over a month. You and I, and probably everyone else, did not envision Colson being a major part of the future core. Now he’s been one of the best players in the game since the all-star break. I said “I’m no longer excited about Colson. Please change my mind” and he has. I’ll eat a nice helping of crow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, SoxBlanco said: It’s absolutely wild how our perception of Colson has changed in just a little over a month. You and I, and probably everyone else, did not envision Colson being a major part of the future core. Now he’s been one of the best players in the game since the all-star break. Dude has had such a weird season. I don't recall seeing some oscillate between golden god and Martin Maldonado feels sorry for me so much in one season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: I said “I’m no longer excited about Colson. Please change my mind” and he has. I’ll eat a nice helping of crow. You missed the part of the Soxtalk manual where you have to double down and then cash in when he hits a small slump 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 6/26/2025 at 9:24 AM, hogan873 said: Honestly, Sosa would be fine at 2B if the team was in contention. He's a good example of giving a player continued exposure at the MLB level to see what they are. He's just gotten better, especially with the bat. He's okay at 2B but needs to stay way from 1B. And there's no reason to see Capra get another AB. Rojas isn't any good either, but getting one or two starts a week at 2B is fine. When he’s in the field, it seems to me there is a bit of a lack of concentration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I hope the Sox keep working and developing Sosa. I don't want him to be another guy they move on from and turns into a steady 15 year player. Sosa reminds me of Starlin Castro a bit when it comes to focus. It is like he spaces out, not covering 2nd base Friday night when Rojas wanted to go to second for the force was inexcusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 3 hours ago, Falstaff said: I hope the Sox keep working and developing Sosa. I don't want him to be another guy they move on from and turns into a steady 15 year player. Sosa reminds me of Starlin Castro a bit when it comes to focus. It is like he spaces out, not covering 2nd base Friday night when Rojas wanted to go to second for the force was inexcusable. Alexei Ramirez was the same way, sometimes just losing concentration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 (edited) He has a 104 wRC+ as he finally was able to get over that league average hump last week. FGs tends to think he's just a mediocre 2B (-1.6 runs below average) rather than a butcher and he gets the positional bonus from being able to play there, albeit below average. Tied with Chase at 1.2 fWAR. Not a bad season at all for Sosa, he's certainly taken a step forward. Edited August 4 by chitownsportsfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 21 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: He has a 104 wRC+ as he finally was able to get over that league average hump last week. FGs tends to think he's just a mediocre 2B (-1.6 runs below average) rather than a butcher and he gets the positional bonus from being able to play there, albeit below average. Tied with Chase at 1.2 fWAR. Not a bad season at all for Sosa, he's certainly taken a step forward. He does a nice job turning DPs with his strong arm and he actually is quite good going back on pop ups to the outfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 16 minutes ago, wegner said: He does a nice job turning DPs with his strong arm and he actually is quite good going back on pop ups to the outfield. Good range on popups, decent arm, really poor going to his left on balls tho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 The wild thing is that Lenyn Sosa might actually be the biggest victory for Sox scouting and development out of Latin America, who wasn't an older Cuban, in the last decade. (Tatis Jr was signed July 2015) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The wild thing is that Lenyn Sosa might actually be the biggest victory for Sox scouting and development out of Latin America, who wasn't an older Cuban, in the last decade. (Tatis Jr was signed July 2015) Didn't the last two guys we signed out of cuba completely bust? Didn't even make MLB for a cup of coffee. Sosa even if he never plays another game for us at least became about an average regular for 3/4 of a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 maybe sosa is 2 WAR or less from here on out per year but the big win here is a guy can be here and steadily get better. The Sox have been so backward that it was only true unstoppable talents were getting to MLB basically 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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