southsider2k5 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 11 minutes ago, ptatc said: What if its that he has a great second half? Also stays healthy for the while year? That is one of the primary issues with his trade value. Then you pick up his option and trade him. He'd still have two years of contract control, instead of one with QO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 7 hours ago, T R U said: I would rather get anything for him than letting him walk for nothing. Not me. There's something to be said about his value now in entertaining the hard paying fans who go to games. What's wrong with paying him good money for the joy he can bring NOW? At Rate Field NOW??? We should be outraged we have to talk about money so much with Jerry's team. Pay the man and let the fans have some fun on summer nights 2025 instead of being zombies wondering why they paid to attend a Sox game. Pay and play baby! And be outraged at Jerry 24/7. The fans pay good money; management should pay some money as well to assure fans some FUN. Why is my position so outrageous to some? It's not our money to pay Robert. It's cheap Jerry's responsibility to pay a few guys so we can win. Edited May 15 by greg775 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 14 minutes ago, greg775 said: Not me. There's something to be said about his value now in entertaining the hard paying fans who go to games. What's wrong with paying him good money for the joy he can bring NOW? At Rate Field NOW??? We should be outraged we have to talk about money so much with Jerry's team. Pay the man and let the fans have some fun on summer nights 2025 instead of being zombies wondering why they paid to attend a Sox game. Pay and play baby! And be outraged at Jerry 24/7. The fans pay good money; management should pay some money as well to assure fans some FUN. Why is my position so outrageous to some? It's not our money to pay Robert. It's cheap Jerry's responsibility to pay a few guys so we can win. Reasonable owners would agree with you, JR is not reasonable when it comes to paying players what they may be worth on the open market which is why he still dreams about a salary cap being instituted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 18 minutes ago, greg775 said: Not me. There's something to be said about his value now in entertaining the hard paying fans who go to games. What's wrong with paying him good money for the joy he can bring NOW? At Rate Field NOW??? We should be outraged we have to talk about money so much with Jerry's team. Pay the man and let the fans have some fun on summer nights 2025 instead of being zombies wondering why they paid to attend a Sox game. Pay and play baby! And be outraged at Jerry 24/7. The fans pay good money; management should pay some money as well to assure fans some FUN. Why is my position so outrageous to some? It's not our money to pay Robert. It's cheap Jerry's responsibility to pay a few guys so we can win. He's been pretty bad since the start of 2024, I think more people are frustrated with his performance than entertained at this current time to be honest with you. Robert is being paid, and he's not producing, which sadly supports JR's beliefs of not paying these prices for players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Then you pick up his option and trade him. He'd still have two years of contract control, instead of one with QO. That would work too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 19 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Reasonable owners would agree with you, JR is not reasonable when it comes to paying players what they may be worth on the open market which is why he still dreams about a salary cap being instituted. He is not the only owner dreaming of this. There will be a substantial amount of missed games in 2027. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 4 hours ago, ptatc said: He is not the only owner dreaming of this. There will be a substantial amount of missed games in 2027. Absolutely correct...maybe the entire season. In the end like they have done literally every time since 1972 the owners will eventually fall apart and cave. The MLBPA will never agree to a salary cap that's been made clear but yet the owners keep dreaming. That's their choice of course. As I've said it won't bother me to much because unlike in 1981 and 1994 the Sox are still going to suck so missing games seeing them consistently lose will actually be a refreshing break for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Absolutely correct...maybe the entire season. In the end like they have done literally every time since 1972 the owners will eventually fall apart and cave. The MLBPA will never agree to a salary cap that's been made clear but yet the owners keep dreaming. That's their choice of course. As I've said it won't bother me to much because unlike in 1981 and 1994 the Sox are still going to suck so missing games seeing them consistently lose will actually be a refreshing break for me. You know JR isn't going to sign any FA contracts as that 2026/27 off season approaches. Built-in/tailor made excuse. Next year, the excuse will be waiting on the arrival of Schultz/H.Smith/Taylor (closer)/Braden Montgomery...Getz: "those key additions are essentially the equivalent of four huge FA contracts, to be perfectly honest with you." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 11 hours ago, caulfield12 said: You know JR isn't going to sign any FA contracts as that 2026/27 off season approaches. Built-in/tailor made excuse. Next year, the excuse will be waiting on the arrival of Schultz/H.Smith/Taylor (closer)/Braden Montgomery...Getz: "those key additions are essentially the equivalent of four huge FA contracts, to be perfectly honest with you." Robert is as good as gone by the trade deadline . I just don't see a scenario where JR wants to pay the rest of his salary for this year. I'd like to think that isn't true because that's the number 1 reason Getz will be getting low-ball offers or have to pay part of his salary to get a better prospect. Unless Robert picks it up in a hurry they aren't getting much for him. Please let me be wrong More than a couple teams making offers would help. Robert destroying the Cubs will be a good start. Just stay away from the wall in Wrigley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 37 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Robert is as good as gone by the trade deadline . I just don't see a scenario where JR wants to pay the rest of his salary for this year. I'd like to think that isn't true because that's the number 1 reason Getz will be getting low-ball offers or have to pay part of his salary to get a better prospect. Unless Robert picks it up in a hurry they aren't getting much for him. Please let me be wrong More than a couple teams making offers would help. Robert destroying the Cubs will be a good start. Just stay away from the wall in Wrigley. Has that really ever happened though? Where the Sox trade dump someone only because JR doesn't want to pay them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 16 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Has that really ever happened though? Where the Sox trade dump someone only because JR doesn't want to pay them? Eloy Jimenez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 18 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Reasonable owners would agree with you, JR is not reasonable when it comes to paying players what they may be worth on the open market which is why he still dreams about a salary cap being instituted. JR seems like a guy who would get a recommendation from his GM to acquire a player and without discussion just writes "NO, DENIED" in big letters on the memo. But get rid of a salary of $20 mill no matter the player the memo comes back "YES" but tell me more about the players we are acquiring and their earnings." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 53 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Has that really ever happened though? Where the Sox trade dump someone only because JR doesn't want to pay them? I'm not going by history if it's ever happened. I'm reading the tea leaves on what been happening with Sox lately. If you can't sign a single player to a contract higher than $5M what makes you think he doesn't covet eliminating Robert's contract ? This is new level JR. He's at a whole new level of we cannot compete the way things are now. He's spending money ( buying up parking lots around the UC ) preparing his son's to keep the Bulls and sell the Sox and not spending on the Sox preparing for the strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) On 5/15/2025 at 4:06 PM, T R U said: He's been pretty bad since the start of 2024, I think more people are frustrated with his performance than entertained at this current time to be honest with you. Robert is being paid, and he's not producing, which sadly supports JR's beliefs of not paying these prices for players. What do you mean? Batting average? Who cares about that outdated stat? He looks good in CF and strikes out a lot. Increase his contact lift and pull rate a bit and he'll be fine. He's got the K's part down now he just has to elevate more. Edited May 16 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/mets-could-purse-struggling-al-team-s-top-trade-candidate-grant9 I think someone here mentioned last week Mullins as a top CF trade target but I guess he doesn’t have the superstar potential Robert does. Problem is the superstar has been sporting a ~80 wRC+ since the start of the 2024 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 39 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/mets-could-purse-struggling-al-team-s-top-trade-candidate-grant9 I think someone here mentioned last week Mullins as a top CF trade target but I guess he doesn’t have the superstar potential Robert does. Problem is the superstar has been sporting a ~80 wRC+ since the start of the 2024 season. Balt fans won't accept giving up on their season in mid May.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 18 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Balt fans won't accept giving up on their season in mid May.... Orioles have one more win than the White Sox. They’re done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 13 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Orioles have one more win than the White Sox. They’re done. They just fired their manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 I can’t stand this dude’s inconsistency. Deal him to make room for the IL guys coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: I can’t stand this dude’s inconsistency. Deal him to make room for the IL guys coming back. Back down to 65 wRC+. How long do we have to wait for him to heat up? It’s May 17th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Orioles have one more win than the White Sox. They’re done. What happened to their catcher? Rutschman? Forgot how to hit? I think he and Meidroth go to the same barber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: I can’t stand this dude’s inconsistency. Deal him to make room for the IL guys coming back. Yeah I just don’t care to see any more of his at bats at this point, which really fucking sucks. It can never be understated how big of a letdown the Yoan, Eloy, Kopech and Robert core was. Like odds-defying levels of failure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Snopek said: Yeah I just don’t care to see any more of his at bats at this point, which really fucking sucks. It can never be understated how big of a letdown the Yoan, Eloy, Kopech and Robert core was. Like odds-defying levels of failure. Bad organizations, bad coaching/teaching/developing, bad training and conditioning staffs, bas scouting, bad analytics...this is what you get. Edited May 17 by Lip Man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Bad organizations, bad coaching/teaching/developing, bad training and conditioning staffs, bas scouting, bad analytics...this is what you get. Not like players have any responsibility for their own performance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 There was a slight glimmer of hope for a couple of weeks there…and now it’s total gloom and doom again. Starting to feel like a miracle will need to happen to get anything of value for Robert at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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