CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 17 hours ago, DirtySox said: Pay down Robert a bit and give me Carson Benge please. Throw in Taylor if you need to. Lord knows the Sox don't need a closer for a few years. Aren't holding out much hope for him becoming a starting pitcher ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Aren't holding out much hope for him becoming a starting pitcher ? I'm not convinced they are even going to try. Especially based off how Harold talked about him. But if starting is in the plans I'd hold onto him obviously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 12 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Robert with a 120 wRC+ over his last 100 PAs with an ISO at his career average and a BABIP just below his historical norms. And because of that his fWAR is steadily rising and could possibly be at 1.0 when traded and could be near 2.5 at seasons end if he can keep it steady for whoever he's traded too. Nothing raised WAR quicker than a strong consistent bat combined with great CF defense and base running. Of course a great walk rate would inflate it even more but then he'd be the superstar he only briefly flashed to be in 2023. Anyone trading for him now will negotiate hard to keep the cost down but if the number of teams involved rumors are true I'm keeping my fingers crossed on the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 39 minutes ago, DirtySox said: I'm not convinced they are even going to try. Especially based off how Harold talked about him. But if starting is in the plans I'd hold onto him obviously. 39 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Don't think I'd give up one of the best young arms in baseball with almost all his eligibility left and money and Robert to get 1 LHH non power hitting , non true CF prospect is my initial reaction. I admit though that I only have cursory knowledge of Benge. Not a big fan of creating a hole to fix another hole even if it is a closer. These young guys need to play together and start winning together. It may not be soon but that means we have time to see how Taylor progresses , otherwise it's selling very low on him. Edited July 22 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 I know this is all just posturing, but this is the first I've seen this tactic floated in this particular instance - keep Robert and pick up the option White Sox’s surprising new Luis Robert Jr. trade plans revealed | Sporting News 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 22 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I know this is all just posturing, but this is the first I've seen this tactic floated in this particular instance - keep Robert and pick up the option White Sox’s surprising new Luis Robert Jr. trade plans revealed | Sporting News Feels like a White Sox plant to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 I feel like I saw @Y2Jimmy0 suggest that the Sox could also decline the option and then offer arbitration instead and recoup a draft pick if he signs with another team in free agency. Though you then chance having him accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Feels like a White Sox plant to me. Yeah there's almost zero chance of that happening. At 20M salary, even a 3 WAR player would produce no surplus value for trade purposes later. Even at 4 WAR, you're only getting about 8m in SV which won't get you a ton so holding on to him makes no sense unless Ishbia is going to put in cash towards the player budget and they will actually try to sign players and win games next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 9 minutes ago, DirtySox said: I feel like I saw @Y2Jimmy0 suggest that the Sox could also decline the option and then offer arbitration instead and recoup a draft pick if he signs with another team in free agency. Though you then chance having him accept. He has 6 years experience so I don't believe he's arb eligible, but they could make him the QO which will be around 24 million. I doubt he'd accept it so they'd get a pick somewhere around 35-45 I believe. I think you can do better trading him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) From Olney's trade piece. Quote Who are the White Sox looking to deal? Chicago's Adrian Houser seems likely to move, as a second-tier starter who has performed well this season. The 32-year-old right-hander was released by the Rangers in May but has been very effective since joining the White Sox rotation, giving up only two homers in 57⅔ innings and generating an ERA+ of 226. Nobody is taking those numbers at face value, but evaluators do view him as a market option. The White Sox also have some relievers worth considering. But it seems unlikely that Luis Robert Jr. -- once projected as a centerpiece of this deadline -- will be dealt, unless a team makes a big bet on a player who has either underperformed or been hurt this year. The White Sox could continue to wait on Robert's talent to manifest and his trade value to be restored by picking up his $20 million option for next year, which is hardly out of the question for a team with little future payroll obligation. -- Olney https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45761723/2025-mlb-trade-deadline-tracker-rumors-alerts-news-latest-updates-analysis Edited July 22 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 His trade value isn't going to magically go up by picking up the option. Just lazy reporting imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 56 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I know this is all just posturing, but this is the first I've seen this tactic floated in this particular instance - keep Robert and pick up the option White Sox’s surprising new Luis Robert Jr. trade plans revealed | Sporting News The one thing I will say is that the Sox finally have TV money flowing in and something like a $40 million payroll without Robert next year. Even if you add him back and say another $15 to $20 million in the usual garbage signings, that leaves us at like $75-80 million. I don't buy that they will do this, but it is POSSIBLE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Feels like a White Sox plant to me. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 29 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The one thing I will say is that the Sox finally have TV money flowing in and something like a $40 million payroll without Robert next year. Even if you add him back and say another $15 to $20 million in the usual garbage signings, that leaves us at like $75-80 million. I don't buy that they will do this, but it is POSSIBLE Possible, yes, but putting it out there in late July feels like an empty threat. It’s is hard to see a scenario where Jerry ok’s the option, so Getz is really only playing chicken with himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 14 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Possible, yes, but putting it out there in late July feels like an empty threat. It’s is hard to see a scenario where Jerry ok’s the option, so Getz is really only playing chicken with himself. Honestly it is like 99/1 they are bluffing here, but this is what happens at the deadline with info misdirects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Honestly it is like 99/1 they are bluffing here, but this is what happens at the deadline with info misdirects. What does the bluff do tho? Nothing. I just don't get how picking up the option changes his value. He's probably like a 3 WAR true talent at the moment. He's being paid like a solid starter on the option years. There's not a ton of surplus value there. Getting the 1 WAR or so surplus this year from him and then having the time value to eval him and then decide on the option is how a trading club would max his value imo. Not seeing many scenarios where the Sox benefit from paying him next year, even if he comes out hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 It makes sense to me to when you see the payroll and tv money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 9 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: What does the bluff do tho? Nothing. I just don't get how picking up the option changes his value. He's probably like a 3 WAR true talent at the moment. He's being paid like a solid starter on the option years. There's not a ton of surplus value there. Getting the 1 WAR or so surplus this year from him and then having the time value to eval him and then decide on the option is how a trading club would max his value imo. Not seeing many scenarios where the Sox benefit from paying him next year, even if he comes out hot. I mean it seems super obvious, but literally everyone shows up for this dance, so who knows. oH bUt We MiGhT rEsIgN hIm!!!?!?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean it seems super obvious, but literally everyone shows up for this dance, so who knows. oH bUt We MiGhT rEsIgN hIm!!!?!?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 53 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: What does the bluff do tho? Nothing. I just don't get how picking up the option changes his value. He's probably like a 3 WAR true talent at the moment. He's being paid like a solid starter on the option years. There's not a ton of surplus value there. Getting the 1 WAR or so surplus this year from him and then having the time value to eval him and then decide on the option is how a trading club would max his value imo. Not seeing many scenarios where the Sox benefit from paying him next year, even if he comes out hot. The idea is if he keeps hitting at 120 wRC+ clip the rest of the way, teams may believe he finally figured something out and is back to prior form. If so, his value theoretically goes up in the offseason. I just don’t buy that the front office will be willing to make that bet, especially after burned a couple times now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: I know this is all just posturing, but this is the first I've seen this tactic floated in this particular instance - keep Robert and pick up the option White Sox’s surprising new Luis Robert Jr. trade plans revealed | Sporting News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Luis not in the lineup tonight. 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 29 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Luis not in the lineup tonight. 🤔 Let hug watch officially begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 29 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Luis not in the lineup tonight. 🤔 Heyman said Padres might be the leaders, if Twitter is to be believed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBooneLoganEra Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 This is.....interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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