T R U Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Again, you're failing to include the prospect return in your analysis. 1/20 + meaningful prospects Sox are asking for is much different than $20M AAV on the FA market. Anthony Santander - for example - who has accumulated 5 fWAR LESS than Robert in his career in over 300 more games than Robert just got 5/$94M last offseason. Santander is a poor defender, a poor baserunner and 3 years older than Robert. I didn't forget, I clearly said I had no idea what has been discussed. Bottom line is, if Luis Robert was valuable he would have been traded, but we all kind of expected this based on his complete fall from grace since 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Last hour lets see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Again, you're failing to include the prospect return in your analysis. 1/20 + meaningful prospects Sox are asking for is much different than $20M AAV on the FA market. Anthony Santander - for example - who has accumulated 5 fWAR LESS than Robert in his career in over 300 more games than Robert just got 5/$94M last offseason. Santander is a poor defender, a poor baserunner and 3 years older than Robert. Anthony Santander was coming off a 44 HR season where he drove in 100 runs and had an .800+ OPS, its not really a fair comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Dodgers get Alex Call, so no Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Look, we can pretend this is nothing all we want, but each time we get nothing out of a group of retreads and guys who should have had some trade value with, we fail to acquire pieces to potentially move things forward quicker. This rebuild just continues to be worst case scenario after worst case scenario. Even we turn dudes careers around, we seem to fail at benefiting from it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Getz once again master-classed by the league, again. He's really, really bad at this deadline stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, fathom said: Dodgers get Alex Call, so no Robert Kind of a weird move given how aggressively they usually attack their weak spots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Getz once again master-classed by the league, again. He's really, really bad at this deadline stuff. By...not settling for shitty prospects? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, T R U said: Anthony Santander was coming off a 44 HR season where he drove in 100 runs and had an .800+ OPS, its not really a fair comparison. Anthony Santander has been a significantly less valuable baseball player over his career than Luis Robert. Those are just facts. Santander's 2024 season would be Robert's third best. We can agree to disagree on this. I hope the Sox can move Robert for a really nice player. But if it doesn't work out, retaining him for 1/$20M is far from a disaster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Jake said: Kind of a weird move given how aggressively they usually attack their weak spots Kwan deal soon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 34 minutes ago, T R U said: There's still over an hour to, ill believe it when I see it that they couldn't move any of these guys. I find it hard to believe. Don't ever put anything past this organization. Do so at your own peril. Time is ticking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Getz once again master-classed by the league, again. He's really, really bad at this deadline stuff. By not trading him for effectively nothing? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: By...not settling for shitty prospects? Better than guys leaving for free agency or not having an option picked up and getting zero in return. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Autumn Dreamin said: Tauch actively prefers to stay. He has an 8 month old with health issues and likes being near his family and support network. With him also being productive on the field and a plus in the clubhouse, I have 0 problems keeping him. Maybe I'd send him across town if Cubs want a reunion, but I'm not pressed at all about missing out on some fringe A ball player return. Not like he's blocking an OF prospect right now either. Well, yes, we need some of those. We do have some in Charlotte who could use a last look. And there's no reason for Houser, Civale, the 30-year-old relievers to not be moved. Moving Robert wasn't Getz' only job this deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Better than guys leaving for free agency or not having an option picked up and getting zero in return. You want me to believe that anyone on this board would be ok with what the O's just got for Mullins? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 14 minutes ago, fathom said: Dodgers get Alex Call, so no Robert One of my favorite White Sox picks of the last decade. Kid was hampered by being drafted and developed by the Sox but he still made it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Anthony Santander has been a significantly less valuable baseball player over his career than Luis Robert. Those are just facts. Santander's 2024 season would be Robert's third best. We can agree to disagree on this. I hope the Sox can move Robert for a really nice player. But if it doesn't work out, retaining him for 1/$20M is far from a disaster. I agree Robert has been more valuable in his career. Santander got the contract he did because of the season he had, if Robert hits the market this offseason, his last two seasons are not good baseball. That's why Santander got the contract he did. I also don't agree that picking up his option is a disaster, but im not the one you need to convince about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: By...not settling for shitty prospects? Something is better than nothing --- there are multiple players on this team that are literally worthless when it comes to the future success of this org, and them moving for a 1/1000 lotto ticket would be better than nothing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Baron said: You want me to believe that anyone on this board would be ok with what the O's just got for Mullins? Yeah the return is garbage. I wouldn't go for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Baron said: You want me to believe that anyone on this board would be ok with what the O's just got for Mullins? To me that's not the point, the O's got SOMETHING which is better than nothing (unless JR has a dramatic change of heart. Do you honestly think that likely?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I was never under the impression that the Sox would have a very exciting deadline this year unless LouBob had returned to all-star+ form. Slater is already gone, Rojas busted (and was never going to have the upside of providing much), Tauchman has played well enough that the Sox don't want to trade him. Sox never acquired a reliever with enough talent to potentially pull much in a deadline deal. Houser should bring something, we shall see, but that's playing with house money as far as where the Sox were to start the season. They're sending a very young team out there every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Yeah the return is garbage. I wouldn't go for that. That's what teams are viewing him as a rental. That's what rentals receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Something is better than nothing --- there are multiple players on this team that are literally worthless when it comes to the future success of this org, and them moving for a 1/1000 lotto ticket would be better than nothing. Not to mention, it leaves out of the picture that this wasn't the first chance they had to move Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Something is better than nothing --- there are multiple players on this team that are literally worthless when it comes to the future success of this org, and them moving for a 1/1000 lotto ticket would be better than nothing. I think the argument is we aren't necessarily getting nothing if they are picking up the option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Something is better than nothing --- there are multiple players on this team that are literally worthless when it comes to the future success of this org, and them moving for a 1/1000 lotto ticket would be better than nothing. I'm talking just about Robert in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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